JOURNALISM UPDATE
Here's a newspaper article on blogs, pointing out that they can be inaccurate. It mentions my name: Dave Berry.
(Thanks to Chad "Chadster" Harris)
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Here's a newspaper article on blogs, pointing out that they can be inaccurate. It mentions my name: Dave Berry.
(Thanks to Chad "Chadster" Harris)
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First!
Posted by: HappyFunBall | November 19, 2004 at 09:26 AM
...any relation to Chuck?
Posted by: cherrypie | November 19, 2004 at 09:27 AM
they just don't understand us...
Posted by: Shaay | November 19, 2004 at 09:27 AM
Faster Ignorance WBAGNFARB, n'est-ce pas?
Posted by: Mahatma Kane Jeeves (n' stuff) | November 19, 2004 at 09:31 AM
I firmly believe everything ever posted on this blog - especially at it pertains to ramparts.
Posted by: Higgy | November 19, 2004 at 09:32 AM
Any relation to Halle?
Posted by: Mike Weasel | November 19, 2004 at 09:33 AM
Dave Berry-Strawberry Shortcake's weird half-brother.
Posted by: HappyFunBall | November 19, 2004 at 09:34 AM
"..as Gabriel Biel, the German philosopher, put it 500 years ago: "You get what you pay for."
(Yeah and I paid 'nuthin for that article ...)
Posted by: Mahatma Kane Jeeves (n' stuff) | November 19, 2004 at 09:34 AM
we're a "blog" ... but we're also kind of like a "wiki" ... so that would make us a ...
*move the a ... carry the 4 ... reverse spelling*
a gold kiwi?
I kid.
That would make us a bwiki, no?
Posted by: punky brewster | November 19, 2004 at 09:35 AM
That's GREAT! Is the author any relation to the library mosaic artist? Oh please be related, please please please.
Berry happy to meet you, Dave.
Posted by: waxwing | November 19, 2004 at 09:36 AM
soooo...what they're saying is blah..blah..blah is now..blog..blog..blog?
Posted by: philintexas | November 19, 2004 at 09:37 AM
i jump when someone mentions chapped lips
Posted by: tedk | November 19, 2004 at 09:37 AM
Dave Berry and the Golden Kiwis - WBAGNFARB
Posted by: HappyFunBall | November 19, 2004 at 09:38 AM
I think the Dave Berry blog is in an alternate universe.
Posted by: sandy beach | November 19, 2004 at 09:39 AM
I firmly believe everything ever posted on this blog - especially at it pertains to ramparts.
Ha ha, Higgy!
*Checks for firmness of ramparts.*
Posted by: Polly | November 19, 2004 at 09:41 AM
I don't trust any news that doesn't spell people's names right. Dave Berry?
But then again I believe everything I read, I guess.
I once read that drinking pee upside down while putting leaches on your upper thighs would be a good way to starve off the sniffles.
To the swamps Wenchfield, to the swamps!
Posted by: narf | November 19, 2004 at 09:42 AM
Dave has been berry, berry good to me.-Chico Escuela
Or... Vitamin deficiency has not been beri-beri good to me.-same guy
Posted by: insomniac | November 19, 2004 at 09:43 AM
Yay! Dave, you're FINALLY famous!
... oh, wait. i guess you already were.
nevermind.
does this make US famous now?
Posted by: OriginalEnigma | November 19, 2004 at 09:43 AM
Lots of gnfrb: Abhorrent Gazetteers. Unpainted Turkey Heads.
Well, I have to say that this blog is NOT intentionally unserious. We are merely not serious unintentionalists posting on a blog in the serious tensions of unhumorosity.
Posted by: Slartibartfast Mark II | November 19, 2004 at 09:43 AM
how dare they assume that mr. berry's blog is void of 'established credibility editorial rigor'?
more importantly, what the heck does 'established credibility editorial rigor' mean anyway?
Posted by: outraged in ottowa | November 19, 2004 at 09:45 AM
*aides polly in checking for firmness*
I'm a doctor, it's alright.
Posted by: narf | November 19, 2004 at 09:45 AM
I prefer the expensive and more reliable traditional encyclopedias for my research
I guess he spent so much on the encyclopedias that he couldn't afford the phone call to double check the spelling of a NAME!!! *wanders away muttering Journalism frikking 101*
Posted by: rhealist | November 19, 2004 at 09:47 AM
I'm not a doctor, but I play one on the blog...
*squeeze, squeeze, fondle*
Posted by: Rampart Tester | November 19, 2004 at 09:47 AM
I second Slarti!
(I don't necessarily understand him, but I second him all the same)
Anyway, those serious unintentionalists are such a pain in the patookis.
Posted by: Shaay at work | November 19, 2004 at 09:48 AM
Wow, they misspelled both yours and Dan Gillmores' last names. That is some good reporting right there.
Posted by: Isaac | November 19, 2004 at 09:49 AM
*giggles*
love your (not you're) email addy Rampart Tester
Posted by: Giggles | November 19, 2004 at 09:51 AM
Narf,
Thank you for your assistance. Aren't women supposed to do regular breast examinations to check for firmness, shape, consistancy and clarity?
And let's not forget pedulousness.
PENDULOUS: 1 archaic : poised without visible support
2 a : suspended so as to swing freely
Posted by: Polly | November 19, 2004 at 09:52 AM
You're getting sleepy.... sleepy....!
Posted by: Polly | November 19, 2004 at 09:55 AM
For the record, this guy is not a journalist. He is a librarian for chrissakes. That seems worse to me.
Posted by: sandy beach | November 19, 2004 at 09:56 AM
Well, what do you expect from a newspaper that calls itself the "News-Miner"?
Posted by: Bismuth | November 19, 2004 at 10:04 AM
*can't think*
*am hypnotized by Polly's Pendulous Parts*
*which wbagnfarb*
Posted by: Higgy | November 19, 2004 at 10:11 AM
Dave Berry: The Six Million Dollar Blogger
I feel myself getting stupider faster than ever before! And as a bonus, I get to hear "du du du du du du du du du du du" in the backgound as my braincells drown in the pool of my ignorance, spring fed by the font of Dave's misinformation machine.
A simple life, yes. But a happy one. Mind if I sip your moatarita?
Posted by: Christobol | November 19, 2004 at 10:13 AM
I emailed the editors at this website; short and sweet:
Hey guys,
In Greg Hill's article on the inaccuracy of weblogs, he misspelled Dave Barry's name. Way to go there, accuracy-boy.
I encourage other to do this. We can email bomb them like we did to the Aquilarinator.
Posted by: Federal Duck | November 19, 2004 at 10:17 AM
what this guy doesn't seem to understand is that i don't read The Blog for INFORMATION, i read it for THERAPY.
duh.
Posted by: OriginalEnigma | November 19, 2004 at 10:18 AM
*checks out Polly's ramparts*
You're looking rather callipygian today, Polly.
Posted by: LabSpecimen | November 19, 2004 at 10:22 AM
Dear Dave Berry (not Barry):
We are saddened to learn that you are not funny, merely intentionally unserious.
Our sincere condolences.
Posted by: qetzal | November 19, 2004 at 10:31 AM
*checks out Polly's ramparts*
You're looking rather callipygian today, Polly.
Wow, Lab. I'm not quite sure what to think of that.
Callipygian: having shapely buttocks
Posted by: Polly | November 19, 2004 at 10:35 AM
Does that mean that my breasts are butt-shaped or that my butt is pendulous?
*Turns in circles trying to check for pendulous posterior*
Posted by: Polly | November 19, 2004 at 10:36 AM
How do we know that he's referring to our Dave Barry? What if there's another, slightly lesser known humorist named Dave Berry? Possibly the author's brother-in-law?
I smell an imposter!
Posted by: Dave Barrie | November 19, 2004 at 10:39 AM
Is Jeshkr an imposter trying to pass himself off as Joshkr?
Posted by: Polly | November 19, 2004 at 10:39 AM
Hmmmm... good question.
Posted by: Pelly | November 19, 2004 at 10:39 AM
I say we write truthful articles about Greg Hill so that whenever he googles himself he ends up here.
Dateline - November 19, 2004. America
Greg Hill, the author of what is widely considered the only truthful and accurate article available on the world wide web, which is a network of computers largely designed to brainwash the stupid with misinformation and biased rants, announced today his plans to copulate with a llama.
"Unlike those frustrating teaser links that promise bestiality with a horse and then deliver edited pictures of bimbos with a shetland pony, this will be the real deal," said Greg Hill, as he shaved a heart into the groin of his family's pet llama outside their trailer.
As a convicted felon and born again nazi, Greg Hill has dedicated his life to the pursuit of bizarre, ritualistic, deviant sex acts with unconsenting animals. Author of Greg Hill Wants Your Dog, Really!, Greg Hill can usually be found at the local Man-Goat Love Association meeting, masturbating into the coffee pot.
Posted by: Christobol | November 19, 2004 at 10:41 AM
CHRISTOBOL! *crying with laughter and frustration*
I wish somebody would shave a heart into my groin...
P.S. I milked a llama once. It didn't seem to like it. And it only had one udder. Milk tasted nasty.
Posted by: Polly | November 19, 2004 at 10:44 AM
Polly...yes I'm me!
Joshkr: No he isn't, I'm me!
Jeshkr: I can prove it! Remember that time we played naked jello twister?
Joshkr: Everyone knows that! Remember the bone you had Dave Ba(e)rry sign?
Jeshkr: That proves nothing!
Joshkr: Shoot him!
Jeshkr: No, shoot him!
Posted by: Jeshkr | November 19, 2004 at 10:45 AM
Christobol...ROFL!!! Brilliant!
I hear Greg Hill has often been seen picking his nose while driving and taking urinal pennies (but not while driving).
Polly..."Milk tasted nasty." *snork!*
Posted by: Joshkr | November 19, 2004 at 10:49 AM
*Waves gun back and forth between Joshkr/Jeshkrs.*
There is only one thing to be done.
The REAL Joshkr/Jeshkr lost his left testicle as a child in an unfortunate accident involving bottle rockets...
Posted by: Polly | November 19, 2004 at 10:50 AM
Polly, what it means is... stop typing while on a conference call!
Memo to self: We're talking about butts here, not ramparts. Altough I'm open to include discussion of ramparts as well.
Posted by: LabSpecimen | November 19, 2004 at 10:51 AM
Polly...awww, didja have to go tell everyone?
Polly: *BANG* *drops Jeshkr like a milked llama*
Posted by: Joshkr | November 19, 2004 at 10:54 AM
Fabulous! Dave Berry has been hiding in my cellar for 3 years now - we gave him a computer, a little red pill and a MOATini - he posts in an alternate universe which is located near the clouds of whatever planet that is on the other thread and is growing "plants" to be distributed to middle-schoolers who are anxious about their (not they're) P.E. grades - too much soccer will make you go blind!
p.s. I was gone for 45 minutes, came back and wondered who no one pos posting on the beaver thread - do beavers have threads? *must check with rita*
*leaves to read other new posts*
Posted by: Eleanor | November 19, 2004 at 10:55 AM
There's only one animal that should be milked and that's a cow. Llama's, wombats, beavers or whatever else your fancy may surmise, should all be not milked. Not ever!
I think I should extend my morality rant to include both forced and unforced copulation with anything that does not closely resemble, say C-bol. :)
Posted by: nerf | November 19, 2004 at 10:57 AM
Rita,
You have the neck Ionic BREEZE (TM)?
Wow. My sister just got the new Booty Belt Ionic BREEZE (TM). Have you heard of it? She has a particularly offensive feminine hygiene problem...
Posted by: Polly | November 19, 2004 at 10:58 AM
Dateline - November 19, 2004 America
Greg Hill, truth monger and accuracy fetishest extraordinaire, but perhaps best known for his plans to hump a llama on pay-per-view this Thanksgiving, has announced plans to open a boutique.
"This won't be any ordinary boutique, where you might buy perfumes or knick-knacks. Instead, I'm going to focus on the niche market of people who want to watch me lick a camel."
It is not immediately known when the boutique, tentatively named Greg Hill Will Lick A Camel or Whatever You Bring In, will open, as most jurisdictions seem to have bans on such activities.
"You know," Greg Hill said, "it's really frustrating. I mean, if I wanted to blog some sort of total crap with no factual basis, nobody would stop me. Hell, people would probably love that! But you try to open a business with the sole purpose of licking a camel for people's viewing pleasure, and big brother wants to invade your space. Frankly, it makes me horny. Wait, can we scratch the end of that?"
Greg Hill can be reached at Pig_Blower69@yahoo.com, and is available for parties. He is also interested in selling you pictures of his mother.
Posted by: Christobol | November 19, 2004 at 11:00 AM
Oh man. I need a shower. I just spilled Nutella all over me from laughing so hard.
Posted by: Polly | November 19, 2004 at 11:04 AM
Dateline November...and rest of headline ripped off from Christobol
Greg Hill was arrested today while attempting to watch Pelly from the Dave Berry Blog shower
hmm, ok, that's all I got.
Posted by: Joshkr | November 19, 2004 at 11:07 AM
Offers, in a completely platonic way, to watch djtony help polly clean up.
Posted by: Christobol | November 19, 2004 at 11:15 AM
The Daily Llama Lover
Dateline - November 19, 2004 3:09 PM EST
Our favorite llama lover, Greg Hall, plans on performing at the Apollo on Wednesday, November 24st. After many attempts to get his Llama Lickin' shop approved by the local ASPCA, FDA, PSA, GSA, and Ronald 'Gun' Ficklin, Hall decided to appeal to the masses with a free live show. Hall has promised the venue will be raunchier than punky brewster's recent 4 hour Package Delivery Service video (starring punky brewster, Christobol, and, well, that's it actually), funnier than the intentionally unserious Dave Berry Weblog, and certainly more or less as entertaining as trying to get it on with your mother's vibrator. When asked for the particulars, Hall was too constipated to comment.
"Let's just say *squirt* that it will be very holiday oriented and I'll be, how do you say it, 'working the crowd.' But in keeping with tradition, I will be bringing my special llama friend, Gueseppe."
We hope to see all you fellow Llama lovers there!
Posted by: II kraM tsaftrabitralS | November 19, 2004 at 11:20 AM
Dateline November 19, 2004 America
Greg Hill, who was recently arrested for trying to watch Polly shower, was released today, with all charges dropped.
Police Sargeant John "Crotchmonkey" Law announced that "We really could not hold Mr. Greg Hill on those charges. He was able to establish, beyond a reasonable doubt, that he is not the kind of guy who would be interested in seeing a beautiful woman naked, rubbing soap all over her full bosom, even if she said it was ok, which Polly did not, at least to Mr. Hill. Greg Hill is a well known serial animal violator, and, while he was stroking a ferret at the time of his arrest, we could not find a statute against that."
Greg Hill left the station quickly, only stopping to make one comment. "I, Greg Hill, want to eat fried chicken off the shaved ass of a water buffalo while a circus monkey spanks me."
Posted by: Christobol | November 19, 2004 at 11:24 AM
*applauds C'bol while giggling maniacally*
Posted by: Guin | November 19, 2004 at 11:24 AM
Thanks DJT!
You exfoliated me, too! Bonus!
P.S. Any jobs down there for those in the death industry? I'm looking...
Posted by: Polly | November 19, 2004 at 11:26 AM
Dave:
Coulda been worse. He could have called you Deve Berry.
Posted by: RiverRunner | November 19, 2004 at 11:29 AM
bwahha. i hope nobody is ever trying to be serious....
Posted by: queensbee | November 19, 2004 at 11:41 AM
Christobol-so very funny. Lots of funny stuff here today...
*wishes my brain could come up with stuff like that...then realizes we need lots of people to appreciate the humor too...*
Posted by: Susan | November 19, 2004 at 11:46 AM
hmmf,Dave Berry indeed.
I just hope that judy sets that guy straight.
Posted by: lurker | November 19, 2004 at 11:55 AM
LTTG, but Wallace Beery has a blog? Kewl.
Posted by: Lairbo | November 19, 2004 at 12:00 PM
DJT: Polly!! What are doing?
*Polly looks up with half-eaten aromatherapy candle in mouth*
DJT: What have I told you about eating product?? You'll get yourself sick!
Hee hee. Yeah, DJT. I'm serious. I got laid off a little while ago, so I'm on the market. And as much as I like being unemployed, I suppose I should get a job eventually... Anyway, I'll do any ol' kind of work that's fun and interesting. Appreciate it. And I can move anywhere, so any of you other great bloglets that might have any ideas, just let me know.
Posted by: Polly | November 19, 2004 at 12:20 PM
I just sent a note to Greg at the Fairbanks library and told him to get over here to defend himself.
Posted by: sandy beach | November 19, 2004 at 12:21 PM
Polly...We have some dead people in Seattle
Cart-master: Bring out your dead!
Man: Here's one.
Cart-master: Ninepence.
Old Man: (feebly) I'm not dead!
Cart-master: (suprised) What?
Man: Nothing! Here's your ninepence...
Old Man: I'm not dead!
Cart-master: 'Ere! 'E says 'e's not dead!
Posted by: Joshkr | November 19, 2004 at 12:25 PM
Hee hee!
LOVE the Holy Grail!
I've never been to the west coast before...
Posted by: Polly | November 19, 2004 at 12:34 PM
I live in Fairbanks. That is my local paper.
On one hand I'm shaking my head going "man, they screwed up again."
On the other hand I'm raising my fist saying "hey, this is a town of 30,000 people with a small locally run newspaper so all y'all better back off"
Local pride is a weird thing.
Posted by: Mikey EnJay | November 19, 2004 at 12:45 PM
Polly...we're fun here!
*drags out another almost-dead person*
See?
Actually I've heard that Seattle is the suicide capitol of the US (and maybe the world). Must be all the grey skies. Me, I love it, no monitor glare!
Posted by: Joshkr | November 19, 2004 at 12:45 PM
Luckily, Greg Hill is only director of Fairbanks North Star Borough libraries.
Posted by: kaygal | November 19, 2004 at 01:08 PM
Yes, I thank my lucky stars and Dan Rather for accurate journalism. But before we jump on the News-Miner, it's possible the name "Dave Barry" actually does become "Dave Berry" by the time it travels north to Fairbanks. Unspeakable things can happen to vowels in the Canadian territories, especially on World Toilet Day.
Posted by: everysandwich | November 19, 2004 at 01:13 PM
Kerrville Daily Times, 11-1904:
Prince Charles lanched a tirade against people who aspire to lofty goals beyond their natural talent. He stated in a memo that was read out at an employment tribunal; "People think they can all be pop stars, high court judges, brilliant TV personalities or infinitely more competent heads of state without ever putting in the necessary work or having natural ability," The Sun, a popular daily that is usually supportive of the monarchy, state, "Not like you eh, Charles?"
(maybe he should try to write for the Blog! Or maybe he is a "Blog!" I wonder if he has any talent for writing? eh?)
Posted by: kat | November 19, 2004 at 01:22 PM
I apologize both for misspelling Mr. Barry's name and saying blogs aren't open to their reader's comments. He's a fine writer who's hopefully losing no sleep over my error, and there are many worthy blogs on the Web. The point of the column in question was the chanciness of relying on Wikipedia as a primary reference source. The collaborative thinking that blogs can engender can be amazing, depending on the application, and I plan on focusing on that in a future column. Again, my apologies for the errors.
Posted by: Greg Hill | November 19, 2004 at 01:28 PM
*stunned*
*at a loss for words, resumes observing toilet*
Posted by: punky brewster | November 19, 2004 at 01:31 PM
Greg: Maybe you should have gone with "Eggray Illhay . . ." or something
Posted by: Mahatma Kane Jeeves (n' stuff) | November 19, 2004 at 01:32 PM
Oh well, there goes my theory that Greg Hill might have a sense of humor...
Posted by: sandy beach | November 19, 2004 at 01:32 PM
kat: funny! and that way back in November of 1904!
:-)
Posted by: Mahatma Kane Jeeves (n' stuff) | November 19, 2004 at 01:40 PM
Greg Hill never met Prince Charles! But it was rath--thr "sporting" of him to apologize. I might consider changing my vote. (I said, maybe I might!) As far as the Prince is concerned, I'm not so sure.
Booger, and please excuse my ignorance, Dave.
(Oh, if we only had a monarchy around here, everything would be so great!) Dave did you ever think about running for Prince (like in, Prince of America)
Posted by: kat | November 19, 2004 at 01:49 PM
Greg said "The collaborative thinking that blogs can engender can be amazing"
Dude...you haven't been around this blog much.
But welcome! Grab a moatarita and watch the naked jello twister game. We'll give you plenty of ammo for writing!
Posted by: Joshkr | November 19, 2004 at 01:50 PM
Hee, hee, hee! (funny, PeeJay!)
Posted by: kat | November 19, 2004 at 02:03 PM
Librarian? I thought Greg Hill was a basketball player.
What?
Oh, Grant. Never mind. Move along.
Posted by: slyeyes | November 19, 2004 at 02:06 PM
Dave would make a "whale" of a Prince! (or a "prince" of a whale) Or, Dave would make a
Posted by: kat | November 19, 2004 at 02:08 PM
:(
nobody applauded wildly at my post. look at what you've turned me into, c-bol! i can't even sustain sufficient energy to hold the caps lock down...that exclamation point really took all i had left...i need to go lie down, or see hill in concert...
oh yeah, and that was supposed to be 'greg hill.' it was actually a sideways joke on my part....
Posted by: II kraM tsaftrabitralS | November 19, 2004 at 02:13 PM
PeeJay, I'm serving brunch before the game, so it's a feast one way or the other. Who are we playing, by the way?
*Goes to check ESPN.com*
Buffalo, 3 and 6......
Well, after Miami...who knows.
Posted by: slyeyes | November 19, 2004 at 02:25 PM
What if Henry Hill, wiseguy, is Greg Hill's brother?
*passes out the prozac*
*slyeyes asks if she can have a moatirita with her prozac*
*joshkr starts playing naked jello twister game by himself*
Wait for me, Joshkr - I'm getting my penguin thong -
Posted by: Eleanor | November 19, 2004 at 02:31 PM
Woohoo! naked jello twister with Eleanor...everyone put your cameras away please...
Posted by: Joshkr | November 19, 2004 at 02:42 PM
I hope jello twister is better than pudding twister
Posted by: neophyte | November 19, 2004 at 02:50 PM
neo - jello twister is slippier and way cool and way more fun - I'm sure Joshkr would love it if you'd join in!
Posted by: Eleanor | November 19, 2004 at 03:18 PM
"Pudding, anyone? I'll say Oh, chap! Is anyone in for a game of pudding cricket? " Right nice of you to invite. Sunday will be specsh!
Yours,truly
His Royal Heiness,
Prince Chuck
P.S. What is this thing that you refer to as "gelatin twister?" Is it a "pastie" by any chance?
Posted by: kat | November 19, 2004 at 03:43 PM
Eleanor, thanks, but... no. I still have images of "pudding" twister, and it ain't pretty. You all just go on and enjoy your jello. (Watch it wig-gle...) I'll just wait over there =======>
Posted by: neophyte | November 19, 2004 at 04:11 PM
Of course you understand, jello slip-and-slides are a different story altogether.
Or jello shuffleboard
Posted by: neophyte | November 19, 2004 at 04:14 PM
I think that Greg Hill coming onto the blog and apologizing was pretty cool.
Thanks Greg.
*passes Greg a coconut bra and another moatarita*
Posted by: Polly | November 19, 2004 at 04:18 PM
P.S. We are jealously protective of Dave so can sometimes use that power to destroy...especially where libraries are involved. Don't ask me why.
Posted by: Polly | November 19, 2004 at 04:22 PM
I'm confused. Who exactly are supposed to be the ignorant ones referred to in the article -- the blog readers, or the authors that are talking about "Dave Berry"?
Posted by: Corn | November 19, 2004 at 04:35 PM
I with Polly that it was nice of Greg Hill to drop in. I also think he has an interesting topic about some blogs taking on a mob quality. The media watching types liken it to an echo chamber that just repeats and reinforces your own views. But from my brief time here, I'd have to say none of that applies to this blog. This is more like anarchy, only funnier, friendlier, and involving more bathroom themes.
Posted by: everysandwich | November 19, 2004 at 04:36 PM
Oops. Disregard my last smart-aleck comment. Yeah, cool for him to drop by and apologize.
Posted by: Corn | November 19, 2004 at 04:38 PM
I was planning on making a comment, but all thoughts left my head when Polly lamented that she would like a heart shaved into her groin area.
*doink*
Benny Hill was more accurate.
*runs to look for a razor and some after shave lotion with Aloe Vera and Vitamin E that smells of lavender and .........*
What was I saying?
Posted by: Graz | November 19, 2004 at 04:38 PM
As a former criminal defense attorney
(Motto: Crooks are my life), I feel compelled to ask - how do we know that was really Greg Hill?
Posted by: Eleanor | November 19, 2004 at 04:50 PM
did you see how official his e-mail was?
greg.hill@fnsb.lib.ak.us
What does it all mean?!
Posted by: Slartibartfast Mark II | November 19, 2004 at 04:59 PM