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Yet, we were taught how noble and heroic the pilgrims were for seeking religious freedom. Why were the plundering details left off?
Can it really be considered plundering if the inhabitants of the village were already dead?
Posted by: Sarcasmo | October 04, 2006 at 04:48 PM
Uh-oh, Sarc's going all Zen on us! :)
in Fourteen Hundred and Ninety Two
Columbus sailed the Ocean blue...
*sits down and waits for Gold Star*
Posted by: Eleanor | October 04, 2006 at 04:52 PM
The vacation starts... NOW.
Posted by: «LabSpecimen» | October 04, 2006 at 04:52 PM
Also, my grandpa always says "Believe NONE of what you hear, and HALF of what you see."
Posted by: Sarcasmo | October 04, 2006 at 04:53 PM
I never said he wasn't real, Jeff.
As for plundering: wouldn't you look for any food you could possibly find if you were suddenly in a strange new world?
Posted by: Leetie | October 04, 2006 at 04:53 PM
Vacation from what, Lab?
Posted by: Eleanor | October 04, 2006 at 04:56 PM
if the villagers were dead before the Mayflower landed, how would that make the story of the Pilgrims any less powerful? They still escaped religious persecution, and half of them still died, even though they were lucky(?) enough to land in a place that had food etc already there.
OK, I'm done. Where are we going for vacation? How about my cabin?
Posted by: Sarah J | October 04, 2006 at 04:58 PM
Sarah, I've heard the space alien abduction theory before; and that the aliens were the ones who gave J. Smith the golden plates. And something about a white lizard, but I can't remember.
Posted by: slyeyes | October 04, 2006 at 05:00 PM
And the internet said that it shall be forbidden to visit the cabin... and the bloglits were not pleased.
Posted by: Leetie | October 04, 2006 at 05:00 PM
Sarah J, I don't know what's in that pic, but it's FORBIDDEN for me to look at it. Are you sure that's not a typo and it should be BARE Lake?
Posted by: Sarcasmo | October 04, 2006 at 05:01 PM
Perhaps he was served lizard on a golden plate?
Posted by: Leetie | October 04, 2006 at 05:02 PM
Also, Leetie, I'm with you "plundering" is not exactly the word I would use to describe their actions. Maybe "foraging".
Posted by: Sarcasmo | October 04, 2006 at 05:02 PM
it's just a picture of my cabin I don't know why it wouldn't work.
Posted by: Sarah J | October 04, 2006 at 05:05 PM
*neener*
I saw the picture - lovely!
Posted by: Eleanor | October 04, 2006 at 05:06 PM
We're still plundering plenty of graves nowadays. What's the difference? Maybe the pilgrims thought they'd learn something about the natives that way.
Posted by: Leetie | October 04, 2006 at 05:07 PM
Foraging in somebody else's pantry... But then, the folks who had stocked the pantry unfortunately weren't going to need the food, were they?
Posted by: neophyte | October 04, 2006 at 05:08 PM
Wow! That link worked. That's not a cabin; that's an estate.
Posted by: Leetie | October 04, 2006 at 05:09 PM
Nice cabin Sarah. Is it a permanent home, or just a vacation home? Either way, it's pretty cool.
Posted by: Sarcasmo | October 04, 2006 at 05:10 PM
Can we get back on topic? The A's just beat the Twinkies again, and today is Tony LaRussa's birthday.
Posted by: bbescuela | October 04, 2006 at 05:13 PM
It's just a vacation home near a lake (I'll find some pictures of the lake, it's really pretty) My grandfather and uncle built it and all the stone around the bottom was collected and cemented into place by my Grandpa Max. The stones are labeled with their original location and the date he found them. The cabin was built the year I was born (1984) and the stones were all in place by 2002
Posted by: Sarah J | October 04, 2006 at 05:15 PM
If plundering kept them alive and gave them enough energy to have wild monkey sex (pilgrim style) to procreate, which eventually led to my entry on the earth, then I'm OK with it.
Lab, since you've had a heyday debunking history today, I'm curious as to where you got all of your information on our forefathers' plundering and disease-spreading habits. Not that I disagree with you. The arrival of the 17thentury Euro-trash was the beginning of the end for the original inhabitants.
Posted by: slyeyes | October 04, 2006 at 05:16 PM
*snork @ monkey sex (pilgrim style)*
Posted by: euro trash Leetie | October 04, 2006 at 05:21 PM
Wow Sarah! Beautiful!
So your uncle and g-pa built it, but they gave it to you? Thats awesome! I can't wait until B and I have a place like that. Though, it will probably be by my paycheck since I'm the primary bread winner between the two of us. That's not a complaint mind you, I could never imagine being "taken care of"... whether I'm primary or we're both equal financial contributors doesn't matter to me.
Posted by: DDi | October 04, 2006 at 05:21 PM
well, it's not technically mine, but it belongs to my parents. I've added a couple of pictures of the lake, taken from the balcony at dusk (couldn't find any with lots of sunshine, the water is caribbean blue but absolutely freezing!)
Posted by: Sarah J | October 04, 2006 at 05:25 PM
Love the pictures of the kitty. Our cats try to get into our suitcases too.
Posted by: Sarcasmo | October 04, 2006 at 05:30 PM
I'm trying to add a picture of my grandpa putting up the stone. He's 85 in the picture. for some reason I'm having problems, but hopefully they'll work themselves out soon
Posted by: Sarah J | October 04, 2006 at 05:36 PM
Ok. Google tells me that Joseph Smith is the martyred organizer of the LDS, author (ok transcriber) of the Book of Mormon. Is that right? Why couldn't anybody say that?
Posted by: Leetie | October 04, 2006 at 05:39 PM
Sarc! Welcome back.
Posted by: slyeyes | October 04, 2006 at 05:40 PM
*loves Leetie a xanax*
*takes one herself*
Posted by: Eleanor | October 04, 2006 at 05:41 PM
Oh, I didn't know you didn't know who he was, or I would have told you.Sorry!
Posted by: Sarah J | October 04, 2006 at 05:42 PM
The conversation was fast and furious up there, so it was easily missed. Thanks for the linky!
Posted by: Leetie | October 04, 2006 at 05:49 PM
Leetie, maybe due to fear that if we said anything, Lab would tell us how Smith plundered the pilgrims, Indians and space aliens?
JK, Lab!!!!
Posted by: slyeyes | October 04, 2006 at 05:56 PM
Where did he go, anyway?
Posted by: Leetie | October 04, 2006 at 06:14 PM
Sarah - if there is a God, it always struck me as ridiculous to try to ascertain what might be God's will or His will. It's a given that this is unknowable, isn't it? "Maybe this means I'm not supposed to have a therapist" isn't any more helpful than "Maybe he wants me to call the next therapist in the book", is it?
The cabin is lovely. How's the fishing?
Posted by: Jamester | October 04, 2006 at 06:15 PM
on the flip ,of the education debate, university professors quite often have no education classes at all... like me! (but 23 years of experience, (26 including teaching in grad. school have made up for it)
Posted by: insomniac | October 04, 2006 at 06:24 PM
It's nice to use "God's will" when trying to understand the unknown.
God must want me to criticize religion.
Posted by: Leetie | October 04, 2006 at 06:26 PM
Dodgers tied it up!!!
Posted by: Mad Scientist Weasel | October 04, 2006 at 06:30 PM
My own personal "brand" of religion doesn't cope well with the "God's Will" philosphy. I read where the Amish families are comforting each other with "It was God's will".
If I honestly thought that God wanted to torture a man's soul so much that he would go do that to those young girls, then I would have to resign from Christianity.
My thinking; stuff happens, always has, always will. Nothing is going to stop it. But my faith gets me through it all. I can't describe to you how comforting and soothing it is when all of the yucky stuff starts. Why? I'm not good at expressing it, except to say that I know that on the other side will be peace.
/end pontificating from The Church of Sly.
Posted by: slyeyes | October 04, 2006 at 06:32 PM
It's not unknowable if you believe He communicates with people on earth, which I do. I believe in continuing and personal revelation and that it is sometimes possible to know what His will is.
/religion discussion
Posted by: Sarah J | October 04, 2006 at 06:32 PM
Mad, I'm rooting for the Dodgers too, and just saw that they tied it up!!!!
Go Dodgers!
CG came over yesterday and we watched part of the Pads game. Not good.:(
Posted by: Eleanor | October 04, 2006 at 06:38 PM
well, OK, but if you have to ask "Was that God expressing his will?" it still seems to me by definition that it wasn't. Unless he whispers. Then you're still not sure.
Back to first step...
Posted by: Jamester | October 04, 2006 at 06:41 PM
when I say "God's will" I mean what He would have me do. I don't use the phrase to explain tragedies or things that befall me, I use it to describe my reasons for what I do, as in, "I try to do what He would have me do"
Posted by: Sarah J | October 04, 2006 at 06:43 PM
As long as someone's religious beliefs help them be the best person they can be, good deal, I say. If my beliefs tell me God wants me to slaughter the infidels...or sacrifice my son to prove my faith...
pass.
Posted by: Jamester | October 04, 2006 at 06:50 PM
But Jamester... those other ones are the wrong religions!
/sarcasm
Posted by: Leetie | October 04, 2006 at 06:57 PM
I have a hair appointment in an hour; and I'm trying to find a new hairstyle. I checked out some websites, but they are just scary, manely (get it?) because it appears that the 80's frizzy big hair is coming back.
eeek!
Posted by: slyeyes | October 04, 2006 at 07:09 PM
OK, I just went to Yahoo and searched for "hairstyles for normal people".
One of the first hits is a website "Prom Hairstyles for Black People". Prom Hairstyles --- normal?
Posted by: slyeyes | October 04, 2006 at 07:13 PM
80s hair is coming back? Oh no.
*whimpers*
This conversation is too heavy for someone in my state.
*curls up in corner of couch, periodically swigging from a cough syrup bottle*
(jk, people, jk!)
(but not about the hair)
Posted by: Marie in Kourou | October 04, 2006 at 07:16 PM
dodgers lost they tried hard though
Posted by: Mad Scientist | October 04, 2006 at 07:24 PM
Emmanuelle Béart on TV... mmmm... Bixente Lizarazu, too...
Posted by: Marie in Kourou | October 04, 2006 at 07:27 PM
This was our family cabin ... until Granddaddy shot up them fellas over at the John Deere dealer while huntin' and we got fore-closed.
I'm unna miss our old cabin on Suet Crick
Posted by: Leetie | October 04, 2006 at 07:37 PM
I guess that God wanted the Dodgers to lose. YAY God!
Posted by: bbescuela | October 04, 2006 at 07:41 PM
TFSM must not want my family cabin to be viewed.
Posted by: Leetie | October 04, 2006 at 07:46 PM
it's just a picture of my cabin I don't know why it wouldn't work.
That's your family cabin?
No, that's a cabin. (Darn you, Leetie, you beat me to it!)
Sarah, you are right to think for yourself and glad to see you have no problem in standing up for yourself. I learned those lessons in college. We were on strike and the reporting in the newspapers was appallingly inaccurate and one-sided. The college President, Jacqueline Wexler (known to us as "The Lying Nun" - she went into education after quitting the church), gave out bs statements and the newspapers accepted them at face value.
I learned never to trust the news media again without investigating for myself first.
Where did he go, anyway?
Maybe the space aliens took him away for blaspheming.
*snork* at bb for I guess that God wanted the Dodgers to lose. YAY God!
And Yay for the Dodgers losing! And for the Church of Sly, which sounds a lot more sensible than most religions I know.
We were catching up on last week's tapes when we were away: Ugly Betty and Grey's Anatomy.
Posted by: Jeff Meyerson | October 04, 2006 at 08:03 PM
Receptionist: Thank you for calling Widgets Inc.* How may I help you?
Customer: I got a letter from my insurance company telling me to fill out a paper with my social security number on it and send it to you. Who are you?
Receptionist: We work with the government to help you with your appeal.
Customer: Oh. So you won't be selling my social security number to anybody in Nigeria?
Receptionist: No, sir, not today.
Posted by: Jeff Meyerson | October 04, 2006 at 08:11 PM
Girl #1: So we had sex last night and we didn't use a condom and I'm ovulating.
Girl #2: Uh huh.
Girl #1: Should I be worried?
Nah, You've Got Nine Months to Pick a Name
Posted by: Jeff Meyerson | October 04, 2006 at 08:12 PM
I'm hoping God is just torturing the Mets a little bit...he'll do that kind of stuff, you know...
Posted by: Jamester | October 04, 2006 at 08:28 PM
*snork* @ BB and Jamester.
Posted by: Mad Scientist Weasel | October 04, 2006 at 08:36 PM
Hey guys, ever wonder who your Dead Celebrity Soulmate is?
According to this, mine is Grace Kelly. Or maybe Agatha Christie.
Posted by: Jeff Meyerson | October 04, 2006 at 08:36 PM
What does it mean that my Dead Celebrity Soulmate is Mata Hari?
Posted by: bbescuela | October 04, 2006 at 08:44 PM
It means you must be a lawyer,
boom boom! :)
Posted by: Eleanor | October 04, 2006 at 08:47 PM
I object!
Posted by: bbescuela | October 04, 2006 at 08:53 PM
Overruled! Take a seat, counselor!
Posted by: Eleanor | October 04, 2006 at 08:58 PM
But I'm already sitting your Honor. May I approach?
Posted by: bbescuela | October 04, 2006 at 10:17 PM
Mine was also Mata Hari . . . tramp.
Posted by: Sarcasmo | October 04, 2006 at 10:20 PM
Sarc, are you a lawyer? Eleanor might be going down in flames here.
Posted by: bbescuela | October 04, 2006 at 10:30 PM
Down in flames?? Me??
Never gonna happen! But I'm not so sure about you, my friend.
pssst, have you ever noticed when people call you "my friend", nothing good ever happens. :)
Posted by: Eleanor | October 04, 2006 at 10:34 PM
OK then, Madame Chuckletrousers. What does it mean that Sarc's Dead Celebrity Soulmate is Mata Hari?
Posted by: bbescuela | October 04, 2006 at 10:43 PM
Edgar Allen Poe?!?!
Nevermore.
Posted by: slyeyes | October 04, 2006 at 10:47 PM
Madam Chuckletrousers?!?!? Are you channeling Christobol?
Posted by: slyeyes | October 04, 2006 at 10:48 PM
No, I'm channeling Mata Hari.
Posted by: bbescuela | October 04, 2006 at 10:59 PM
What does it mean that Sarc's Dead Celebrity Soulmate is Mata Hari?
You're the smart lawyer, you tell me. :)
I'm just a little lady trying to get along in this big, scary world.
Posted by: Eleanor | October 04, 2006 at 11:16 PM
It must mean that Sarc is charming, intelligent, witty and handsome.
Posted by: bbescuela | October 04, 2006 at 11:31 PM
First the Huguenots fled France and ended up in England, then the Mormons in West Yorkshire fled England to Nauvoo (so did the one's in Missouri) then everyone fled to Utah, where they had to deal with the US army coming.
You wanna talk persecution? My ancestors in Armenia were persecuted for 1200 years, culminating in the Genocide (the 20th century's precursor to the Holocaust). Murder, rape, pillage, conversion-by-sword, the whole ball of wax. *muttering under breath*
Maybe God isn't helping me find a counselor because he knows that I can do it without one as long as I have His help.
A very wise person told me once that you should pray as if everything depended on God, and act as if everything depended on you.
Posted by: Blogchik | October 04, 2006 at 11:40 PM
I was given the choice of Vincent Van Gogh, Edgar Allen Poe, and Leonardo Da Vinci as Dead Celebrity Soulmates. I chose Da Vinci as he was slightly less wacko than the others.
Family History: My great-great-ancestor on my mom's side was the ship captain who brought Lords Fairfax and Culpeper to the New World. I grew up in Fairfax County. Isn't that weird? We're the first ones in my mom's side of the family to live in Virginia since the 1600s. My grandmother has looked all this stuff up. There's a book, even, published by some distant relative or other.
On my father's side there's a poster-sized family tree with only the male line on it, written in Armenian (it has it's own alphabet). My brother's on it. I'm not. Chauvinists!
Posted by: Blogchik | October 04, 2006 at 11:54 PM
Are there any shows that are really different? I'd like to find one. That would be cool.
Posted by: «LabSpecimen» | 02:13 PM on October 4, 2006
kibby watches, in order, SNL, Star Treck, Murder She Wrote and Family Guy thinking they're all episodes of Little House on the Praire.
This insures there's no plot repetition. Also makes for interesting Season's Finals.
*wonders what sarahj's Comparitive Finance is like*
*wonders if that would help him plan for retirement*
*agrees with Scarc. Plundering only happens immediately after affecting death (see blogchiks history). Scavaging is finding something to eat to postpone impending death*
Posted by: Kibby F5™ | October 05, 2006 at 04:10 AM
kibby arranged dates with
Cleopatra
Grace Kelly
Mata Hari
*wonders what this means of him*
I only wanted a small island and to travel!
Posted by: Kibby F5™ | October 05, 2006 at 04:25 AM
My Celebrity Soul Mates were Poe, Van Gogh and Rudolph Valentino. Is it just me or was Valentino not the kind of guy who'd be looking for a woman like me? Or a woman at all.
I can sew on buttons quite well. I can't sew much else, although I can do basic hemming and seam repairs at a stretch. I can knit, but I get bored quickly.
The only thing they teach when you're 6 that you can use to get a degree in university is elementary education.
I don't want to open up the can of worms again, but I believe that we all have free will. We use it to choose what we do and don't want to believe (religion or lack thereof included, naturally), and to control our behaviour and the environment around us. Of course, at the same time, everyone else is doing the same thing everywhere else in the world. Some people use their free will to hurt others or cause pain or damage. Some people choose to work with AIDS orphans or build lowcost housing or work in slums. Others choose to shoot up schools or drive drunk, steal, rape and destroy. To say that any of these choices are God's will is wrong and totally unfair to God.
Some thing are a result of the choices we make, others are a consequence of the world we live in and the way we treat it. Some things happen just because some people in the world are complete b@st@rds.
Posted by: Kafaleni | October 05, 2006 at 05:30 AM
I have little or no idea what this says, except I see gateau and Bon Anniversaire, Marie!
If we need more gateau... I thought this one looked incredible. I told them to write Marie on it, but they seem to have spelled it wrong. ;)
Posted by: Kafaleni | October 05, 2006 at 05:39 AM
Good morning!! Happy Birthday, MiK!
Chilly today, gas jumped from $1.93 to $2.17 and the Cardinals take on the Padres today and Kafaleni will bring us the entertainment report. But first, over to you, Kibby, for the latest in European news.
Posted by: slyeyes | October 05, 2006 at 06:50 AM
And thanks to Lab, I had *this* earwig last night:
Oh well I'm the type of guy who will never settle down
Where there's loot to be had, that's where I'll dig around
I steal 'em and I rob'em 'cause to me the dough's the same
I scam 'em and I trick 'em they don't even know my name
They call me the plunderer yeah the plunderer
I plunder around around around...
Posted by: slyeyes | October 05, 2006 at 07:01 AM
OH YEA! Crap!
Happy Birthday MiK!
here I'd thought of being the FIRST! and still missed it
"Gno gnews is gnood gnews" - this it from Europe, back to you sly!
Posted by: Kibby F5™ | October 05, 2006 at 07:16 AM
Thanks, Kibby; and now to Jeff for our traffic report and I hope traffic is flowing smoothly 'cause I'm heading out the door right now.
Later!
This is slyeyes, signing off.
Posted by: slyeyes | October 05, 2006 at 07:48 AM
Yeah, the plunderer...
dang. That one's catchy. I know what I'll be singing all day.
Posted by: neophyte | October 05, 2006 at 07:54 AM
HAPPY BIRTHDAY, MiK.
They did a story on the local news this morning saying that more people have October 5 has a birthday in the U.S. than any other single day.
There was some speculation that it had to do with New Year's celebrations.
And if you come to 42nd Street with proof that today is your birthday you can get free ColdStone!
Oh yeah, I forgot. That slut Mata Hari was my third choice as Dead Soul Mate. For someone dead nearly 100 years she sure gets around.
Traffic: no major tieups.
Who's got the weather?
Posted by: Jeff Meyerson | October 05, 2006 at 07:56 AM
neo?
Posted by: Jeff Meyerson | October 05, 2006 at 07:57 AM
"more people have October 5 as a birthday..."
Posted by: Jeff Meyerson | October 05, 2006 at 07:58 AM
AAAAAAAAHHH!
WCRE's playing Marry Banalow AND Barbara Streisand!
AAAAAAAAHHH!
Posted by: Kibby F5™ | October 05, 2006 at 08:03 AM
I had weather once. I've given it up for lent this year.
Happy Birthday MiK!
he has a point.
Posted by: wolfie | October 05, 2006 at 08:04 AM
He sure does!
And so do these.
Posted by: Kibby F5™ | October 05, 2006 at 08:07 AM
This isn't right. It's humiliating to me and degrading," Roach said. "You know, I'm a man and I don't want to be paying alimony to a man. If you can't be married to a man legally, how can you legally pay alimony to a man?"
Interesting point. Perhaps one of our resident
weaselsattorneys can give us thesleazylegal viewpoint.Did anyone watch the first episode of Lost last night? And if so, did you find it as annoying as I did? (I doubt if you did, because I was steamed.)
They promised over the summer that: (paraphrasing) no more games, we're going to explain what went on the first two years.
NOT!
Not even close, as they added new characters, new settings, new situations, new confusion. Frankly, if they continue in this vein, they've LOST at least one viewer.
The first episode of The Nine was quite interesting, but I'm not sure where they can go from here. And as Jackie asks, even if they're successful how can they go more than one season?
Posted by: Jeff Meyerson | October 05, 2006 at 08:09 AM
And if that wasn't annoying enough...This season opener was the first of six new weekly episodes that will air before "Lost" takes a hiatus until February, when it will continue without a break through May.
By the way, I hope you caught The Daily Show last night (or see today's rerun). As Jackie put it, this Foley story could have been invented with Jon Stewart in mind.
Posted by: Jeff Meyerson | October 05, 2006 at 08:21 AM
help
I need someplace I can order blueberry muffins from. That ships. Suggestions anyone?
Posted by: wolfie | October 05, 2006 at 08:36 AM
none of my posts are going through. I'm not getting error messages or anything. I hit post, and they just vanish. I'm getting mad.
Posted by: neophyte | October 05, 2006 at 08:41 AM
Frack.
Posted by: neophyte | October 05, 2006 at 08:41 AM
Roach said he should no longer have to make alimony payments because his ex-wife is no longer the person he married.
If he wins that argument, NO ONE will be paying alimony anymore, sex change or not.
And Jeff, why the dig at the attorneys?
Lost isn't one of "my shows" mainly because I don't need anymore shows. But I keep up with it from all of the talk in the office. It seems I'm one of the few who doesn't watch it. I'm trying to keep Wednesdays TV-free. Well, except for The Daily Show. That is the show I missed the most during the "antennae only" months.
Posted by: slyeyes | October 05, 2006 at 09:17 AM
Instead of muffins that ship, how about a ship that muffins?
Posted by: neophyte | October 05, 2006 at 09:20 AM
alimony for life? dang. I missed the boat.
Posted by: neophyte | October 05, 2006 at 09:32 AM
Me, too, Neo. All I got was a dinghy.
Posted by: slyeyes | October 05, 2006 at 09:45 AM
sly, it was a joke. A weak one, admittedly, but I hadn't had my coffee then.
Just pretend it didn't happen, OK?
Wolfie, I would suggest my cousin DeDe's place but I don't know if they ship out of town.
Posted by: Jeff Meyerson | October 05, 2006 at 09:47 AM
*packs blueberry muffins into bubble pack*
*squeezes the air out*
*looks quite thin*
Posted by: Kibby F5™ | October 05, 2006 at 09:51 AM