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June 08, 2014

Finals G2: Heat 98, San Antonio 96: Miami evens series behind LeBron's 35!; plus Heat playoff MVP table (updated), raw vs. dumb honesty & more

1) It is SUNDAY, JUNE 8. Click on Random Evidence for today's latest Sunday notes-column package, leading with (what else) Heat and NBA Finals. 2) In The Previous Blogpost (ITPB): Saturday Heat notes and 3-pack from San Antonio, California Chrome falls short, Crampgate poll result and more. 3) Join us on Twitter @gregcote. Also Vine and Instagram.

My World Cup preview: I columnize in today's Miami Herald World Cup preview section on how the U.S. standing in international soccer adds intrigue to the quadrennial event. America is seldom seen as the underdog in anything. Except this. Click on Us Against The World for the column. (Also, below find item on U.S. coach Jurgen Klinsmann).

FINALS G2: HEAT 98, SAN ANTONIO 96: LEBRON ANSWERS HIS HATERS WITH 35: LeBron James' 35 points carried Miami tonight in the two-point win that evens the Finals 1-1. Most impressively he did it all ways in hitting 14 of 22 shots including three 3's. He pounded the paint with force, he hit oustide jumpers, he had 10 rebounds -- all of it three days after debilitating cramping erased him late from Game 1 and drew a barrage of mocking on Twitter and elsewhere. Call tonight his response. He had help, though. Chris Bosh had 18 and Dwyane Wade 14, and Rashard Lewis also added 14. Miami also was much better defensively, with the Spurs shooting only 44 percent after hitting 59% in Game 1. Now the Finals haed to Miami for Games 3 and 4 starting Tuesday. The three-peat dream wouldn't have died with a loss and a 2-0, but it felt like Sunday brought it back to life just the same. Click on The King Reigns for my column from San Antonio off tonight's Miami win. ..... Original post: Some final thoughts on Crampgate before we look ahead to tonight. The consensus seems to be that no, the Spurs did not "arrange" for the air-conditioning failure that caused the hot/humid arena that led to LeBron James' 1aa1aheatspursfinalscramping that played a part in the Heat's Game 1 loss. But the consensus is that the Spurs were alerted ahead of time, well before Miami, to better prepare for the conditions. And that the Spurs lockerroom had cooling fans while Miami's did not. If all of this is true, the NBA should fine and publicly admonish the host franchise. OK, moving on. Tonight's Game 2 should find Miami motivated both by how Game 1 ended, and by the LeBron-bashing on social media that followed. But the 1aa1aheatspursg2biggest motivation should be desperation. What a difference in outlook and prospects between leveling this series or heading back to Miami in a 2-0 hole. Miami is on a 12-0 run responding to a loss in the postseason, and that streak confronts its toughest test tonight. The air-conditioning will be back, we are assured, but LeBron being 100 percent is less knowable. Will his minutes be limited? Might the cramping recur? We'll see. Meantime the Heat must do better in other areas, such as defend in a way that San Antonio doesn't shoot close to 60 percent (58.8) again, and allow a Tim Duncan-led layup parade again. Miami, after losing the Finals opener 110-95, must find a way to hold the Spurs under 100 points. I'd expect to see doses of Udonis Haslem (who didn't play at all Thursday) as Miami strives to defend the paint better and narrow S.A.'s rebounding edge. All eyes will be on LeBron's post-cramps health, but the key will be much better defense.

Heat Postseason MVP Standings (updated): We name 'Heat 3 Stars' after every playoff game and award points on 3-2-1 basis. Tonight: 1. LeBron James, 2. Chris Bosh, 3. Rashard Lewis. The updated standings through 17 playoff games, including tonight's Finals Game 2: LeBron James 40 points, Dwyane Wade 24, Chris Bosh 19, Ray Allen 8, Rashard Lewis 4, Chris Andersen 3, Norris Cole 2, James Jones 2.

NBA commissioner on A.C. snafu: New commissioner Adam Silver, addressing the national media prior to Game 2 tonight, clearly was embarrassed by Thursday's air-conditioning outage in San Antonio. "I'm glad this isn't single-elimination," he said. And: "Certainly not one of my prouder moments." And: "In hindsight it wasn't handled perfectly." Silver said the NBA office was informed about the problem shortly after the game began, and was told just before halftime the issue could not be resolved that night.

RAW HONESTY: CALIFORNIA CHROME'S OWNER: It is so rare in sports and thus always refreshing when we see a reaction that is instant, visceral and raw. We got that yesterday from California Chrome's 

1aa1acoburnowner, Steve Coburn, after his horse had been denied the Triple Crown in the Belmont Stakes by a horse named Tonality. Coburn, pictured, railed against the format that allows a horse like Tonality to not run in the Kentucky Derby and Preakness and then swoop in fresh against horses that run all three races. Coburn called that "the coward's way out." His reaction struck many as classless or sour grapes. He had a larger point that was valid: It would be a more level playing field if only horses that raced in the K-Derby could run in the next two races and be TC-eligible. But that probably was not the time or place for Coburn to rail against the rules.

DUMB HONESTY: JURGEN KLINSMANN: Team USA's World Cup coach, Jurgen Klinsmann, said in a New York Times profile, "We cannot win this World Cup because we are not at that level yet. Realistically, it 1aa1aklinsmannis not possible." He may be right. It still was an outrageously dumb, ill-timed thing to say publicly. The U.S. Soccer Federation should be furious. There would be a firestorm if soccer were bigger in this country. You can think that privately, Jurgen, you can say that to your wife, but to broadcast that on the eve of the World Cup is, well, imagine Joe Philbin saying at the start of training camp that the Dolphins are not at a level to compete for a Super Bowl. Klinsmann has cast a soggy blanket over any American enthusaism for this World Cup. There is also the element of self-fulfulling prophecy. Imagine being a player hearing your coach say that? Dumb, dumb.

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Told you Jurgen is a butthead. A rather large factor US can't get too far is that refs have made 7 major bad calls / non-calls against the US in 5 out of their last 8 World Cup matches, without receiving one call in their favor. They were potential semi finalists (step away from THE final) vs S. Korea in 2002 but were neglected a PK on a shot going in goal when Frings handled on the goal line. (Thr US just got flagged for similar in the Turkey game). Meanwhile, the traditional, experienced and trained floppers Brazil & Italy have always needed help to get to the final this century. If Brazil is struggling in any game, watch some sort of call go their way. A typical Neymar untouched flying leap. An undeserved ehection for the opponent. FIFA wants the spectacle of the largest soccer fan country at least in the Final, if not winning it all.

OC, I was at Los Alamitos yesterday with Fallon and Moe Joey, "The Fixer", don't wanna owe money to this guy, for the Belmont. After having to go back to my car and put on a pair of slacks that luckily I had in the trunk, I walked in to the Vessels Club at Los Al just in time to put a fin down on CC for prosperity get back into the Vessels club show the fancy slacks to the Tux at the door and hustle up to the bar to order my usual Jimmy on the rocks and sit back and enjoy the show.

After what seemed like an eternity, a bumpy ride, (I thought he was squeezed in by the rail for too long and today they said he hurt a hoof and was bleeding after the race.) after CC lost there was a mad dash for the door as the patrons, most like Mr. Woodcock who is just a part time horse player but a full time looking to party guy, hit the bricks and walked out the door.

Five minutes after the finish of the race you caulda fired cannon balls inside the Vessels Club. The only once left were the wise guys, their molls, the hired help, and your's truly, Mr. Woodcock eating the last of the plate of food from the $45 buffet that Mr. Woodcock stacked to the ceiling while everyone's eyes were on the nags running around in a circle on TV including the Tux, the suits, and the hired help who instead of manning the buffet line during the race as they were paid to do were all screaming at the top of their lungs rooting for CC while Mr. W was sashaying through the buffet line picking up choice morsels of shrimp, ham, sushi, and prime rib.

Moral of the story;

"Never pass up an opportunity to eat for free!"

What a sad, boring story. This is like the pinnacle of your social year isn't it? Going to watch a horse race and sitting around eating alone at the buffet. Get a life loser.

Deserter....liberal hero. Directly or indirectly responsible for the deaths of at least 6 real heroes. Susan Rice said of me that I served with "honor and distinction." Liberals do have a warped sense of honor and distinction.

Mr. Woodcock,

los al!!!! my favorite track in the world!! got me started when i went to bet on the 82 (i think) derby that puerco del sol won, maybe the slowest horse to win the derby under the deft riding of eddie delahousssaye; filled out a couple of pick 6 cards on the quarters and won two consolations (picked 5) and a betting carer was on. love the quarters, the mixed meet they run as the orange county fair that goes while del mar (greatest race in the world- first race opening day where the surf meets the turf and where girls in see-through white dreses get situated perfectly between me and the sun!!!) made los al the night time place to be, handing out $20s to the kids for kicks. once hit the largest $2 exacta (broken later that week) in los al history: $1700+ the day that dennis wilson drowned and william demarest dies at age 91, with 9 and 1 being the winning #s. harbor freeway down to the 91 over to the 605 and off at katella- the good old days.

Question.....why is it that strange things happen in San Antonio,Tx. When it comes to Basketball...How is that when the spurs were in the series against the Trailblazers how do explain a snake ....yes a real snake in the visiting team's locker room in T.Robinsons locker and here we are in the NBA Finals and the air conditioning system is not working......Too all my Heat fans ...when the spurs get here lets show them a couple of Miami tricks......go ring the fire alarm at 3 in the morning...cut the heat on "it's hot as hell in here"in the visitors locker room...Heat cheerleaders wear your little sister's shorts to the arena..make sure y'all are right in front of the spurs bench and drop it like its hot in front of the bench... Lets Go Heat
...

TRAINER CLAIMS HURT HOOF COST CC HIS CHANCE!!!

let us see- buddy delp, who claimed that spectacular bid was the "greatest horse ever to look through a bridle", blamed the belmont loss on a safety pin (how about using a coked-out 17 year old as a jockey!!) and now the chap who trains CC is going for the hurt hoof excuse!! making horses run all three races is absurd and shows, once again, how difficult it is to win all three. i was in a hospital bed at the old mt. sinai on beverly blvd. recooping from having a 56 cadillac run me over when carry back won the first two and an outsider named sherluck took the belmont. next candidate was canonero II, another veritable pig in the bloodlines, who lost the belmont (methinks he was a venezuelan bred who ran in puerto rico, who let pass catcher take his spot in history. the next year riva ridge would have been a triple crown winner but couldn't handle the mud in maryland and lost to bee bee bee. the following year came riva ridge's stablemate, a mighty animal who also lost a little something in the mud but won all the triple crown races and beat older horses soundly in the fall with a couple of hiccups in the slop against prove out and onion. secretariat, seattle slew, affirmed, alydar and spectacular bid all rank with the greatest; california chrome will go down with the bunch of baffert trained forgettables who won 2/3 of the triple crown races. there is a five million dollar bonus for winning the triple crown (methinks it still is operative)- don't you think owners would want to run in all three and shouldn't be made to commit to them. little current and rising star skipped the derby and went on to win both the preakness and belmont-don't we think the owners know the capabilities of their colts and do what is right for them? or maybe you'd like to see big brown type efforts in the belmont. running aginst 19 other horses in the derby is ludicrous and they ought to revert to 12 starters.

zzzzzzzzz,

thought i'd give you a couple of "meaty" posts to which you could respond-enjoy!!!!!!

Deserter....liberal hero. Directly or indirectly responsible for the deaths of at least 6 real heroes. Susan Rice said of me that I served with "honor and distinction." Liberals do have a warped sense of honor and distinction.

Posted by: Bowe Bergdahl | June 08, 2014 at 03:43 PM

yeah! let him rot in a POW camp!
due process is UN american!
woohoo!

my amigo david is right. liberals did win WWII. liberal Russian communists, that is. well the liberal communist Russians and the conservative Brit hero Winston Churchill.

Posted by: (the real) buffoon in los angeles | June 08, 2014 at 09:25 AM

"Were it not for home rule [in Ireland] to which I will never consent – I would enter parliament as a Liberal. As it is – Tory Democracy will have to be the standard under which I shall range myself." -churchill.

he brought about MANY liberal reforms, was constantly fighting the conservative establishment, and didn't really become fully conservative until after the war, so nice try tommyboy..

Cane4Life – Not everything unusual is a conspiracy.

The AT&T Center (have to admit as a Spurs fan) is a less than perfect venue. When it first opened the fire-suppression system went off, covering most of the place in foam, scattering the fans, and delaying that night’s game over an hour.

The recent A/C problem was shown to be an actual electrical failure, not some ploy. It probably would have been pointless to try anyway since even the Heat’s own medical staff can’t predict when LBJ might cramp up. It’s a reach to think that upping the temperature against a team from a place just as warm as south TX would have any affect.

Over the years we’ve seen birds, bats and other critters (including yes, the famous locker-snake) make their way in to the Center anytime they want. South TX has lots of wildlife - I’ve found snakes in my yard when cutting the lawn… well, half-snakes anyway.

This is going to be a great series. Neither the Spurs nor Heat will be the same when it’s over (retirements, free-agency, etc.) so let’s trash the trash talk and enjoy what may be a series we’ll talk about for years.

http://i.imgur.com/JdiXsX0.jpg

How 'bout those MARLINS!!!!

Shad, I was at Del Mar for the opening day last year. Everything you said especially the babes is on the money.

ZZzzzzzzzz, it's time for you to stick the dildo up your ass, adjust the rubber suit, have your master strap that crap that they use to keep your focking mouth shut, and get back in your trunk you focking worthless pile of dog chit.

David, it's foolish to speak wisdom to fools.

Berghdal? School is still out on him. You can suspect and assume what ever you want, and if you are one of the men that was with him in Afghanistan that week you have more than earned your right to your opinions. But some frog dick posting here who doesn't even have the balls to get into a fist fight at Joe Robbie with an obnoxious Jets fan is just a coward speaking chit about an American who volunteered to enlist in the U.S. Army, made the rank of sergeant, and was in a forward outpost in the middle of nowhere where his chances to come back home were 50/50.

My friend Jason is a retired Marine Corps sniper. Two tours in Afghanistan and one in Iraq. This was his response today to another friend who posted a video of the guys who were interviewed by Fox who were in Berghdal's platoon.

"A bunch of ignorant grunts, trying to speak above their paygrades.
The Army has already determined, long before this prisoner exchange, that not one single death can be exclusively linked to Sgt. Bergdahl's actions. But hey, I suppose you think that these grunts are better equipped to be an authoritative voice on this matter than the field grade professional officers that the Army tasked with conducting a thorough investigation.
But please, tell me where I'm wrong... guy who has no military background, nor knowledge past whatever he's seen on TV or the silver screen."

I rest my case.

I'm thinking ball gag, Pulp Fiction style. Right Zed?

awww, your boyfriend's sticking up for you! that's adorable, but your story was still sad.

Exactly, Jimbo.

Zed, the blog gimp.

Wassup, Gimp!

Mrs. Zed, please stop talking for your son. Is that him in the background?

Ummm, ummm, uhhhh, uuuummmmm, ummmm.

Now shut the fock up and rotate that piece of chit in his box.

Where's the best place to retire in Florida? Need to have a military base in the location. ?

Panama City area. Just down the road from Pensacola NS.

"Hand down man down."

"Mama, there goes that man."

Mark Jackson is a classic.

I like my position.

Go Heat!

Mr. Woodcock,

glad to hear that those sheer summer dresses are still in at del mar. makes the racing secondary and the babes are beautiful+. another summer of fun about the last week of july, no? but that synthetic track is not for me. the previous surface was unbelievably bad and they putting down 4 horses a week when i lived in la jolla!!

What a game.

Great win for the Heat but totally expected after the AC debacle in the first game. I want to thank Spurs fans and HeatHaters for mocking Lebron. 35 pts and 10 rebs.

This series is turning into an absolute classic! LBJ was unbelievable, and Bosh was a perfect compliment. Wade was not brilliant but made all the plays he needed to.

Compliments to the Heat and looking forward to Tuesday.

Take that, OC!

I wonder what Dashi thinks of Eric Spoelstra now....

The guy is a great defensive coach.

amazing win.
i LOVED the early foul trouble we got green into; took him right out of rhythm.
defense played lights out, and even with the spurs shooting 12-26 from the 3 point line, and with our offense not in full stride, we got the stops and the shots when it counted.

those 3 pointers by san antonio will not be going in like that in miami.
ours will.
this series is over.

The klinsmann comment albeit mostly honest . . . it is a fair statement . . . the world cup is set up for either a S. American team or European team to win, for no other reason than they are he countries with he best talent. And even beneath that division there are smaller pockets of teams who are better built to win . . . teams going to the WC outside those groups are not living in some delusion of grandeur. They know the circumstances. Perhaps Klinsmann should not have made the statement, but it wasn't completely out of bounds . . . lastly, what has also happened is that he US is suddenly playing a bit better . . . the result and even more important at this point . . . the approach to the game offers some optimism against the US rivals in the first round . . . Ghana is beatable (they are good but beatable), Ronaldo with Portugal is never as good as Ronaldo with his club team, and Germany is having some difficulties in the midfield that may open he slightest slither of hope for the US . . . I think hey move on to the second round at least.

liberals won WWII? hahahahahahaha........

liberals won WWII? hahahahhahhahaha....

Brought to you by our favorite liberal presidents JFK and LBJ.

Well the Heat put on their big boy pants on last night...to me the defense won the game plus too much LeBron, he was just magnificent..take that haters.

Can someone tell that asswipe Chalmers the playoffs started a month and a half ago?

Glad to see coach Spo play more players to keep them fresh ..this should help a lot going forward.


Woody

The deaths of the six soldiers do not have to be "exclusively linked to Sgt. Bergdahl's actions" for the deserter Bergdahl to be responsible.

READ!

http://www.cnn.com/2014/06/08/us/bergdahl-search-soldiers/

FZB Chalmers might not have played great but the flagrant did change the tone of the game after that it was all Heat. L. James put on a clinic in the third quarter. Spurs stopped shooting.

That comment will be Klinsmanns undoing. Only thing that could come out of it is the players trying to prove their coach wrong but he won't be able to live it down with a poor showing. Look for a coaching change if they don't make it out of the first grouping. I actually didn't like his other comment about them being in the "worst of the worst" group. Tell everyone your team is good and that they will make noise in the group no matter what. See easy I just made that up.

Shadow El Tri 1 nil losers in my backyard this weekend to Portugal good turnout I heard. If your boy K. Leonard can't stay out of foul trouble it might spell doom for the Spurs.

Jimbo Patrick Air Force Base isn't a bad spot I used to live near there right on the beach. Near Melbourne, FL not a bad town at all.

I also remember him saying that Brady was better than Newton when he got to NE. This guy is kicking the Panthers to the curb on his way out huh?

BB

Brady is better than Newton and it is not much of a shock that the Pats work harder than the Panthers. You don't win year after year by sitting on your ass. I hate the Patriots, but I also respect them a lot. How can you not?

Not debating whether any of it is true just indicating that the player can't keep his mouth shut kind of like Greg Jennings last offseason.

Woodcock did you just reccommend Panama City? You're a walking talking contradiction.

Recommend.

Lafell is a 3rd tier talent. He will outperform his talent in NE because of Brady. If not for Brady Belichick would be a LB coach for some directional school in North Dakota.

That's going a bit far he was the architect for the Giants defense when they were winning Superbowls. He would get another head coaching job in a minute if he left NE. His specialty really is coaching up the defense which he is very good at.

Brady while still vg is not the player he once was. He won't win another Superbowl.

Yes I did. The Panama City area is gorgeous and Pensacola is a huge Navy town and Jimbo is a navy guy. I also think that Panama City is nicer than Melbourne. Another place that I think there's a navy facility close by is the Jacksonville area. The beach area between Jax and St. Augustine is very cool.

Now you noticed that Jimbo asked about places in Fla. not Bama or the Carolinas, right? During the winter hard to find a better place to live than right on the beach in Florida. In the summer thought, Woodcock flies north for the summer.

You're on record as describing every city not named Miami in Florida as a dump.

liberals won WWII? hahahahahahaha........

Posted by: Gen Dwight Eisenhower | June 09, 2014 at 07:58 AM

liberals won WWII? hahahahhahhahaha....

Posted by: Gen Douglas MacArthur | June 09, 2014 at 07:59 AM

Read more here: http://blogs.herald.com/random_evidence/2014/06/finals-g2-heat-san-antonio-xxx.html#storylink=cpy

yeah. i wonder who THEIR boss was; oh yeah, ROOSEVELT. the guy that actually pushed through intense conservative opposition, to enter the war..

if eisenhower were around today, you fools would call him a liberal anyway.
desegregating schools, his tax rate and expansion of government. some of you dummies think that because there's an "R" next to the name, that means they were conservative.. lol

Tommy @ 10:07, 'xactly. You don't argue with winning. There is no winning without hard work.

Panama City is a city in name only. It's actually a small town.

Dapper Dave, "limpiate." Bro, you have a little tiny piece of shit hanging off the top of your lip.

Shadow as usual I will be rooting for USA, Argentina, and England as my big three usually in that order. I think Argentina has a chance to make at least the semis maybe more they have really good team. US needs to get some timely scoring England is still a top 10 team not getting much respect.

I will root for Mexico as a 4th option always sort of liked them as a fall back team.

david of all the stupid things you've said on the blog, and just about everything you write is nonsensical bs, the one that takes the cake is "liberals won WWII". you are so ffing stupid you don't even realize how offensive that statement is.

So Roosevelt lead conservatives into war? Really? OH WAIT. I seem to recall that Roosevelt waited until the Japanese attacked us. Now that was courageous leadership. Even you could have convinced this country to go to war after that.

Best you stick with music. Football and history are not your cup of tea.

Argentina? I wouldn't root for those rat bastards in anything for all the gold at Ft. Knox.

Neither are politics watch him vote for Hillary.

I'll take the bait and ask why Woodcock.

Hillary, that's his girl. He just received a super deluxe, ACME, anatomically correct Hillary Clinton blow up doll in the mail this weekend complete with a pair of fried egg breasts that hang to the floor and a double wide ass with the texture of large curd cottage cheese on the surface of the 4 foot wide caboose.

Dapper did you get a complimentary case of Jergens hand lotion with the Hillary doll?

Yes Woodcock. No doubt our dead from the neck up friend from LA will suggest to us that all the Americans who fought and died fighting in WWII were liberals.

liberals won WWII....honestly how can anyone be that ffing stupid?

OC, has just informed me that during the Heat game he was at the movies watching something called Chef.

I'm speechless.

Wassup, OC!

Like I've said here many times during football season when we are all talking about the college games, "The next time that OC watches a college football game on TV will be the first time."

Because I don't like Argentinians. Simple as that.

A more obnoxious, self absorbed, arrogant, and "equivocado" group of people I have never found in 61 years on this planet.

That can't be all true some of those attributes apply to thousands of people living within a few square miles of your home.

shadow thanks for the advice on the tv who cares if we like old TV's this one is worth keeping maybe I will consider repairing it. I didn't really diagnose it tv has a lamp light on the front of it that is blinking and it makes an awful sound when you turn it on so I'll assume it's the lamp. Sort of a nice feature I think it's an indicator light. If I can get it fixed for around 150 or 200 like you say I might do it has got hd and it's around 42" inches or so. It really is one of those dinosaur tvs but so what I got for free from the in laws so whatever.

Ask any Spanish speaking, non-Argentinians who read this blog the same question........

The word, "atorrante" was invented with them in mind.

I actually thought you were going to say something a little less stereotypical and more informative about Argentina Woodcock like it was the oppressive government or something from the 70's.

Oppressive govt. Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.

Bro, the only thing oppressive in Argentina are the argentinos.

You noticed that I said argentinos not argentinas, right? They have some fine looking bitches in Argentina.

Another executive order from our Chief Executive. Another bit of legislation which skips congress. Get this. He has just signed into law a student loan reform, whereby the government caps a borrowers' monthly bill at 10% of their income, with any unpaid amounts forgiven after 20 years; 10 if employed by the government.

This will be the outcome of this new bailout. Those hardworking, sacrificing students going through hard, demanding programs - e.g., Bio, Engineering, etc., will, after graduation, snatched into high wage employment. The kind that will just about ensure full repayment.

Meanwhile, all the other fru-fru majors: art, drama, philosophy, sports management, etc, will have the major chunk of their education (partying) bill picked up by the taxpayer.

Another redistribution, disincentive program from Mr. Wonderful. Question: what are the odds every university throughout the land will raise tuition in the next nanosecond? Even an arts major can easily see how an unchecked university will exploit taxpayers and upper income graduates.

...well, perhaps not. They are after all, art, and music majors.

If Marcia Coakley was behind it I am positive it is a terrible idea.

david of all the stupid things you've said on the blog, and just about everything you write is nonsensical bs, the one that takes the cake is "liberals won WWII". you are so ffing stupid you don't even realize how offensive that statement is.

So Roosevelt lead conservatives into war? Really? OH WAIT. I seem to recall that Roosevelt waited until the Japanese attacked us. Now that was courageous leadership. Even you could have convinced this country to go to war after that.

Best you stick with music. Football and history are not your cup of tea.

tom i'm shocked; i thought you were old enough to be alive then.
try reading a book.
remember the lend lease act?
roosevelt was ready to enter the war as early as 1940, but was hampered by conservative isolationists, you nit wit.
lend lease was a way to start supporting the war effort without entering, and as the voting below shows, it's obvious who was against helping the allies.

"The vote in the Senate revealed a similar partisan divide. 49 Democrats (79 percent) voted "aye" with only 13 Democrats (21 percent) voting "nay." In contrast, 17 Republicans (63 percent) voted "nay" while 10 Senate Republicans (37 percent) sided with the Democrats to pass the bill.

you are a fool, an idiot and most everything coming out of your mouth not related to the miami heat suggests an ignorance and stupidity unrivaled by anything i have ever seen.

AMERICANS, left and right, won WW2.
but conservative republicans were the reason roosevelt waited for japan to attack; he did not have their support to enter the war earlier.
THAT is a fact, and anything you write to counter that just gives more proof of your stupidity.

Ah, let me explain something to you OC while you exit the 4 x 4 fantasy world to post here.

"Man does not live by bread alone."

Life without the arts sucks.

I would rather that the government subsidize higher education, much in the same manner that it subsidizes home ownership because it's good for society, than to spend the money eating shit on nanny state type regulation.

Every penny invested in the education of our kids is money well spent.

Dave, STFU.

You're opening your trap and removing all doubt that you're a fool.

Oh, and OC, that's OUR KIDS not just YOUR KIDS or only CERTAIN KIDS.

http://www.miamiherald.com/2014/06/08/4166277/south-floridas-former-dropout.html

All well and good Woodcock but the pay as you go loan repayment plan might end up being the don't pay as you don't go program. If that happens then it's intentions were good but not the results. I think you may be underestimating the amount students who will graduate and default on their loans drastically.

Wassup, OC!

Oye, brother, there's an NBA Finals game in Miami tomorrow!

You are missing the big picture, Woodcock, you typically do. And I'm not talking about technical artists like your daughter either. The stuff she's training for is an eager market for her worth. I'm talking about students who rack up $60k in debt to earn degrees in subjects that have the net effect of allowing them to ENJOY life better.

Dave, STFU.

You're opening your trap and removing all doubt that you're a fool.

Posted by: Mr. Woodcock | June 09, 2014 at 04:11 PM

Actually there has been no doubt for quite a while.

What you cork soakers know about real 'football' can fit in a thimble with room left over for the Chinese army. Especially you Kotex!
Klinsmann is a football god. Disrespect him at your own peril.

Ship shape you pretend to know about the NFL so it sort of evens out I guess.


Dave, STFU.

You're opening your trap and removing all doubt that you're a fool.

Posted by: Mr. Woodcock | June 09, 2014 at 04:11 PM

Actually there has been no doubt for quite a while.

Posted by: Post of the Day | June 09, 2014 at 04:25 PM


sure woody..
isolationist conservative republicans were against going to war, old man.
it's really not debatable, even for you old coots.
IT HAPPENED.

please show me where that ISN'T our history.. lol
it delayed our entry into WW2, and it probably cost us more lives, but at least old prescott bush was able to amass that fortune; while you lemmings voted for both his kid and grandchildren..

I am a Brady hater but good on him for finally addressing the media firestorm about his perceived decline. He gave them the scoreboard reply almost makes me like him.

brady is a monster, but he's still closer to the end..
all the more reason for us to shore up the defense; what seattle did to manning is the blueprint for us overtaking the patriots..

8th in points allowed last season we are on our way. New guys Delmas and Finnegan must be impact players for that number to stay the same or improve.

Who the fock made you king, OC? Since when do you decide who lives and who dies?

BB, you make a good point. In all things in life there are failures and successes. From a cost benefit analysis over time it has been shown that people with college degrees do better not just financially but socially. It is why we push for higher education. Those who can afford to pay cash as I do for my kid's education don't have a problem but not everyone is in my position.

This isn't a Democrat v. Republican, or a liberal v. conservative argument. Investment in education is always a good thing for societies. The devil is in the details on any program.

I know OC very well, he's a great guy but he tends to look at the world in a black and white manner. That and the fact that he's a horrible loser. Not good in a society which values fair play.

Mr. Sour Grapes is upset with this because it came from Obama's administration. I don't like what Obama has done and is doing but I don't hate the man. I voted for the other guy in his last two elections.

Ask OC if he took a mortgage interest deduction when he filed his taxes this year.

Hypocrisy: the behavior of people who do things that they tell other people not to do.

Nice move by the Jags. Hey when the product sucks you package it in a flashy box.

The old Gator Bowl stadium in Jax is actually a great place to watch a game. It's right on the St. John's and hosts the largest outdoor cocktail party in the world when Fla and Georgia meet every year. At least they did for years I don't know if they're playing the games there again.

I liked the Jax area. The beach reminded me of South Beach back in the day when I was a kid.

Good for them. At the rate that the Dolphins are going it would not surprise me one bit that they would take out the entire end zone areas and replace the seats with two water parks complete with smoke, fire works, and dancing girls. Hell, anything is better than the crap that has been on the field for the last 20 years.

City has a terrible reputation but seems alright to me. Mostly the high and mighty types that criticize that town. There are a lot of industrial parks there.

Correct. It is an old fashioned southern mill town. If you opened your eyes and you found yourself there you would think that you were somewhere in the south but not in Florida.

The area that I like is the beach areas south of Jax all the way to St. Augustine. Pretty cheap nice ocean front property all the way down the coast.

Their football team should do better this year. I think they had a pretty decent draft.

BB, it's ironic that Jacksonville, Florida has an NFL team and Los Angeles does not.

What's that all about?

The isolationists were a diverse group, including progressives and conservatives, business owners and peace activists, but because they faced no consistent, organized opposition from internationalists, their ideology triumphed time and again. Roosevelt appeared to accept the strength of the isolationist elements in Congress until 1937. In that year, as the situation in Europe continued to grow worse and the Second Sino-Japanese War began in Asia, the President gave a speech in which he likened international aggression to a disease that other nations must work to “quarantine.” At that time, however, Americans were still not prepared to risk their lives and livelihoods for peace abroad. Even the outbreak of war in Europe in 1939 did not suddenly diffuse popular desire to avoid international entanglements. Instead, public opinion shifted from favoring complete neutrality to supporting limited U.S. aid to the Allies short of actual intervention in the war. The surprise Japanese attack on the U.S. Navy at Pearl Harbor in December of 1941 served to convince the majority of Americans that the United States should enter the war on the side of the Allies.

If they were formed about 5-6 years earlier than 93' I would likely be a fan lived a few hours South of Jax for a few years.

On the coast?

Woodcock has obviously drank a cup of a**hole brew and is spewing massive amounts of mierda.

Sour, send me Marco's email address I want to send him some cool stuff from Fallon.

"Who lives and who dies. " to use your words; what the fock are you talking about? Where in hell did I post anything about that?!

Bro, you best get laid tonight. You're going through your monthly bitter period!

My advice to you is to get some cheap reading glasses Whole Foods and re-read the posts.

You're on drugs, aren't you?

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