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July 14, 2012

Joe Paterno's Penn State statue should come down: Agree or disagree? Vote now (with poll); plus Heat, Marlins, being a billionaire, Octomom & more

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JOE PATERNO'S WATERGATE: HIS PENN STATE STATUE SHOULD COME DOWN: I say that after reading this week's damning Freeh Report that leaves little doubt former Penn State football coach Joe Paterno had ample information to do something but did nothing -- for 14 years! -- while Jerry Sandusky rampaged as a pedophile sexually abusing boys. Paterno might well be facing criminal charges today 1aa1joepastatuerelated to his coverup, in fact, had he not died in January. How many more boys became victims because of an ignorance by Paterno that amounted to tacit approval? Even old colleague Bobby Bowden said the statue (pictured) honoring Paterno outside the stadium should not remain. I do not think this poll question is a no-brainer, though. Plenty might say that a lifetime devoted well to Nittany Lions football should not be overshadowed by what Paterno's family would have you believe is one regrettable chapter of that life. To others this might involve some of the same moral wrangling we go through in debating, for example, whether Barry Bonds deserves to be in the Hall of Fame. (Which is NOT to liken the two crimes, but only to note both involve assigning a weight to a man's wrongdoing in the larger context of his life and career). I admired Paterno from afar for a long time. He was "Joe Pa." But his damnable role in the Sandusky scandal made ever more irrefutable by the Freeh Report is too shaming, too much, to dismiss. Watergate rightly became what forever stained Richard Nixon and began any discussion of his legacy, and this is Paterno's Watergate. OK that's my say. Your turn. Vote and say why.

1aa1arisonmIT'S GOOD TO BE A BILLIONAIRE: Heat owner Micky Arison, vacation in Europe, Tweeted this photo captioned, "We are enjoying lunch Poulet de Bresse with France's best chef." From what I could determine here, this is a specially bred, very expensive type of poultry, the kind of royal bird that probably looks down its beak at mere ordinary chickens.

Heat kiddies debut in Summer League: Heat's Summer League team debuts today vs. Toronto in Las Vegas. Never quite understood the fascination (assuming any) for the Summer League. It's five developmental games for B-list players like Norris Cole, Dexter Pittman and recent draftee Justin Hamilton. 

MARLINS BOUNCE BACK: First game back after the break. Eager home crowd. First-place division opponent. Josh Johnson on the bump. and ... pffft! The Marlins somehow come out flat, lose 5-1. The perfect snapshot: The Nats' Bryce Harper steals third while Hanley Ramirez and Jose Reyes are lost in conversation. But last night they bounced back with strong pitching to even the series. Long way to go, but this inaugural season in the new ballpark still looks like an awfully steep climb to the playoffs.

Poll result: Sorry, Kobe, it's still the Dream Team: Kobe Bryant said his 2012 U.S. Olympic team could beat the 1992 Dream Team. I tend to agree. But Michael Jordan scoffed and so did you in our previous poll. We asked could the '12 team beat the Dreamers (you can still vote) and it was "no" with 60.6 percent. And that's despite the LeBron James factor, with about half of our polls' votes generally coming from Florida.

1aa1octomomTHE ETERNAL SADNESS OF OCTOMOM: Nadya Suleman, 37, mother of 14 and the world's worst advertisement for collagen lips, performed Friday night at The Playhouse, a Hallandale strip club, on the heel of releasing her first adult film Octomom Uncovered. Should her life get even sadder, we'll have updates.   

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I think the statue should come down because it is not just for football... the wall says educator coach humanitarian.... he should have gone over the schools admin and to police and the ncaa...

I'm wrong person to ask about statues of icons. I mean a bronze Marino statue goes up like 3 decades before any statue of '72 Dolphin team. That's wacked.

Hey I got an idea! Lets take helmut ofF Dolphin logo which has been associated with a rich heritage because we gotta do something... Go to Dolphin throwback jersey from '74 SB win over Vikings. Seriously. The blues and oranges were richer than earlier uniforms.Geeze changing Dolphin logo is the equivalent of throwing as much S*** against the wall as one can BECAUSE some of it is bound to stick. Huh I don't see Dallas, Pittsburgh or Raiders changing their logos or colors. C'mon go to OZ and get a brain and heart PULEEEEZE!

If you take down Paterno's statue the Vatican has gto come down too. Fair is fair...

Roethlisberger not a great qb Naples?

Not really sure he could do anything more to be better guy does it all he is top 5 easily.

The Statue has to go. Maybe in 5-10 years they can have the discussion abut putting it back up. Doubt it, the man was helping a sexual predator get away with his crimes.

The church touches little boys in the name of god.

The marlins I'm going to give them 2 more weeks of my time. If they don't get it somewhat together by then, time for football.

The Fin logo thing is why the fan base can't stand that big nose, big ear muthafu-ka Ross. Just cause u bought the team doesn't mean u have to make everything ur own. Did Jerry Jones Mess with the Star? If it works why mess with it? It's all about money with this guy, U know why. He just wants to re-sell all the merchandise.

Why are you giving attention to a nouveau riche billionaire that is tweeting what a big flashy show offy prick that he is?

This should be the logo on the Dolphs helmets until Ross sells the team.

http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRS1WOIUNi0c-_yt-RjM4DxgtRTpepyVL5dFw_XWeZmciLiRCKA

Obama sucks donkey dicks.

Patriots changed their logo and started winning Superbowls.

I think Carolina changed theirs Chargers did too.

Those are just a few Bengals come to mind Jets did it.

It's not the end of the world you can always switch back I think Jets did that.

Church bashers need to get a life.

There should have been a MOB of people taking that statue down soon after the findings were read publicly. He harbored a pedophile for 14 years!!!! People went nutz when Mike Vick killed some dogs!!! Where is the consistency? Aren't innocent children deserving of the same passionate support as a dog? PAALEEAASSE!!!!! Makes me wonder about that community in 'HAPPY' valley.

Wassup Dave!

Oh I don't disagree that there will justifiably be negative consequences for Penn State period. The church bashing is the result of its power playas extensive history of acting entitled to police themselves & that seldom works in such cases as predator defensive coordinators & priests. Cote sorry but Watergate is not as repugnant as permitting a pedophile to use college campus as his hunting ground for 14 years. Not even f***ing close.

The Logo is Ok, what I'm saying is they should at least make a BS Effort(a Fan Poll).

Ben is a Top10. Not top 5. He's in the 6-8 range. Brady and Ben, are answers to the question that u don't need a great Qb to win a SB. They had great defense and were allowed to grow into being good. Neither has won a SB since being good or great.

Brees got overpaid. He deserves it, but still old Qb's are one of the most overpaid paid positions in all of sports, that and 7ft NBA Centers.

No such thing as overpaid, Dash. "The value of a thing is the price it will bring." If Benson is willing to dish out the juice then that's what Brees is worth. Period.

The Value of the position is the most over rated in that sport.

/ 1 Answer to the ever going question will the dolphins win a SB without a great QB

A collection of great players is what makes a SB winning team, not a great Qb. A collection of HOF'ers gives u a dynasty, not just having the Most Prolific Passer in History. U can't get a SB with just the best QB in the League. So it doesn't matter if the Fins have Their Qb of the future, if we don't have a team we will not win a SB. Point Blank. Now should T-Hill workout? that's alot of pressure are we saying he has to be better than Marino? I hope not, I'll be happy with some SB and more winning.

All Paterno's wins, trophies, and accolades from a fawning and lazy press,
can't possibly make up for one second in a shower with the deranged, predatory "tickle monster". Penn State must abolish football, demolish the locker rooms, and
devote all their efforts to studying child abuse and creating a new generation of
anti-abuse advocates, and lawyers to fight for children's rights.

"Wake up, Dave!" Come on sonny boy it's time to practice. Get your ass up.

Say Dave, can George, Ringo, Paul, or John sing like this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-lpzsNRJdzw

"Say what?" Did you just say the quarterback position is overrated?

Big Baby- i love Ben, but he aint top 5.
Brady
Rodgers
Brees
payton
Eli. Now these guys are great. The next 5 are excellent.

Hey John the Baptist you need to get a grip. As heinous as what happened at Penn State is you don't throw the baby out with the bath water. You can't do anything to Paterno 'cause he's dead. A trial was held and that freak is going away for a long long time. They will clean house at Penn State and start over with a clean slate. None of the kids that are on any of the Penn State athletic teams had anything to do with this why should they be penalized?

Dashi- Tell me the last team that won a SB, or was in a SB without a great or top QB? Packers, Colts, Giants, Saints, Pats, all had a great QB. Pitts. had agreat defense, with a top 6-7 QB. With a salary cap, QBS and DL eat up to much cap space to put out a great all around team. Why do you think the 49ers wanted Payton? They know they are not going to far with Smith.

Hate to agree with the Miami sports editor that thinks pole dancing is a sport( see OctoMom and note his obsession with female breasts) but yeah the statue should not only come down it should be destroyed.

JoePa! What a "fake" he was.

While we are handing out our opinions I never saw the Herald or Susan what's her name? apologize for tweeting that Micanor Regis was a "pig." That is classless so Cote needs to get of his soapbox and cease being a part of liberal's war on women!

Dashi- No such thing as an over paid player when he signs a big contract in football. When he quits on a team after they give him the money, then shame on him. Brees deserves the money. Saints are just another 8-8 team without him. The guy is not some lazy college hot shot who did not produce. Jam Russell, or Haynseworth, now these guys are bums.

What's up guy's !

If Paterno were alive he would have been indicted and charged and probably send to jail, in a way he is lucky he died , the other two or three person's responsible will probably end up in jail as well but to give the school the death penalty is a bit much, I don't even think the NCAA should be involved.

The school will have to pay restitution's to those poor guys and they deserve to take PSU to the cleaner's, Paterno was one of those responsible and his name should be taken off everywhere in the school, tare down the statue.

Naples Jack, the Raven's won with T Dilfer at QB

Big Ben is top five in my book, no specific order,A Roger's, Brady,Big Ben, Brees and E Manning.

Woodcock, An Eudie Gorme reference ?..wow man, I'm impressed but better than the fab four ?..no way amigo.

Here, how's this one for a voice,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2bigf337aU&feature=related

Can someone let us know where Paterno is buried? I have a full bladder that needs to be emptied. And his parents too. They need a shower for bringing an ignorant douche into the world.

FZ, I asked "Tube Steak Dave" if he thought that John, George, Ringo, or Paul could sing like Eydie. I want to see how honest he is. She has some hall of fame chops, baby.

That's what I'm saying they are not the most overpaid, they just get the most value put upon them. The more players on the field, the more franchise players u need on a team. A great MLB is almost as good as a great Qb.

The patriots won with Brady as a QB, when Brady was bad. Same story with Ben.

Peyton and Drew finally won when they had an above average defense. Need more than just a great Qb. Difference between Elway and Marino, Elway had a team when he won.

Everyone should be penalized Woodcock.

That community, the alumni and fans needs a year without football it's really what they deserve at this point.

Athletes can transfer out sorry for the inconvenience.

When was the last time Penn State football was relevant anyway when Kerry Collins was there?

If ever the criteria were met for a lack of insitutional control regarding a university this was it.

Woodcock, Just busting your chops buddy..

hey did any of you guys see the Marlin's ( the franchise ) on showtime, I did, it was excellent, I'm hook now, must see tv.

I can't wait for Hard Knocks..

Has anyone seen or heard from "Tubesteak?"

Frankly Big Baby, if you're going to give the death penalty to Penn State then USC should get it also for OJ. It's an insult that those losers have the unmitigated gall to have a giant number 32 cardboard jersey on the peristyle end of the Coliseum for every home game. Only a pond scum bottom of the barrel institution like USC would be so arrogant as to flaunt this during every home game.

eli wasn't even a top 5 QB last year; he was 7th. moore was 4 places lower.
can our QB position improve? yes. there are way more pressing needs on this team, and until we find the ultimate answer at QB, filling those nedds isn't a waste of time..

was at a BBQ in beverly hills, swimming all day, oldcock. didn't know you were missing me so much.. how sweet.. if you're nice, maybe i'll invite you to the next one; we do it every saturday all summer long.. lot's of jews, though, so you'd better be nice.

You two (Woodcock & Dave) have a sort of love hate thing going here.

is entertaining since not much is going on elsewhere other than OC trying to adjust to the Texas heat and dodging those big tree roaches.

I won't be available for most of the day (I have been put in charge of waiting on tables at my daughter's baby shower) so everybody relax and let's not start WW III.

Oh, one more thing, Obama is the devil.

Oh, another one more thing, good information on the Dolphins here..

http://miamiherald.typepad.com/sports-buzz/2012/07/sunday-buzz-column-dolphins-chatter-with-training-camp-less-than-two-weeks-away-though-some-of-the-young-veterans-hav.html

Dashi- You should of quit when you were ahead during basketball season. Let me see if I have this right, when was Brady ever bad? Explain that one to me. Which MLB in the NFL today is ALMOST as good as Brady, Rodgers,Brees, Eli or even Payton comming off a neck injury? Payton had an awful defense when they won SB, same with Rodgers in GB. Brees won a SB with a very average defense. There is not a MLB you would pick over Ben, Rivers, or even Ryan or Flacco, the way the NFL is set up today. The game is all about points scored, passing is the game today. Watch teams copy the Pats and try to go with 2 good TEs.

FGB- The Ravens with Dilfer at QB are history. You will not win today with a slug like Dilfer. Its like having a 2 rb system, they do not exist anymore. Its all about scoring points, as fast as possible.

Naples Jack,

scoring points as fast as possible is what the NBA is supposed to be!! i am not into this space age football generally- i like the way baltimore and pittsburgh and now the 49ers play: defense and running. had the ravens passcatcher held onto the ball and the 49ers not losing two INTs by teammates bumping into each other and then fumbling at game's end of the NFC championship, it would have been a defense and running SB. we'll see how this season goes- it seems that the only score as quick as you can teams who are successful at it are the patriots, saints, and packers- the teams with the best three QBs and systems that work. everybody else is at snail's pace by comparison.

(the real) david in beverly hills,

glad you are having a good time in the old haunts. lived in 90210 in the hills and have great memmories of the trousdale years. enjoy, boychik.

chet baker was a fabulous musician to these untrained musical ears. beautiful, melodious sound that just doesn't come very often from rock'n'roll, except for a few instrumentals: "girl from mill valley" (nicky hopkins while with jeff beck), "albatross" (fleetwood mac pre-ovaries), and the incredible "in a silent way" (santana, borrowed from joe zawinul, RIP, at the fillmore closing). i don't do much driving here in florida, so listening to music is basically a gateway to a few zzzzzzzzzs at night, and jazz is the perfect way to get to sleep, along with classical organ music, gregorian chant stuff. have a good time and maybe we'll cross paths as i will bein LA for a wedding at the end of july/beginning of august. zei gezunt

I am sure that isn't the only thing obammy does with donkey d--ks.

So when Tom won those SB was he throwing for 4500yds 30+ Td's. In any season? The 50td season he lost in the Sb. When the patriots were a dynasty, winning 3 SB they won it with defense. Not with Brady, remember they were gassing up vinateri.

Patrick Willis. A great MLB is harder to find than an Above average QB. Or even a franchise qb. Now everyone runs a RB by committee, No more workhorse. Wonder why no one attacks holmgren for wasting such a high pick on a RB. And a 1st on Chris weinke.

All those QB's had D's that were highly rank forcing turnovers. Just cause they gave up alot of yards doesn't make them bad. Of course u give up alot of yards if u score a lot of points. The other team will be throwing to catch up. Look at their scoring defense? They all rank higher than last place.

Naples I can care less about winning or losing. If u have an opinion and it's better or makes more sense I'll listen, I'm man enough to admit I'm wrong and listen to others.

Wassup Dave! Shit yea, are you kidding I'll go anywhere even to USC for a free drink even if it's Manischewitz. Just 'cause you can't read music worth a shit doesn't mean you can't party.

Hey Shadow, I'm glad you're coming home soon, maybe you can have a face to face with Mr. Dudley do right Pat Haden about taking down that offensive giant #32 at the Coliseum.

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR2zceUoKPHh69aRALfAC1JxtTPq6BnIKTzQQT4kLXw8qvkXopgYg

Hey Dave, LMFAO, I just got a text from my brother in law Mick who lives in London and hates the Beatles as much as I do. He's the one that pulled the plug on your boy Paul last night!

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow/springsteen-mccartney-hyde-park-concert-plug-pulled-153759387.html?_esi=1

The media is also to blame for the PSU fiasco. Small town reporters usually cant find their courage to investigate, question and report damaging stories about the college in their town. They back off for fear of losing friends, contacts and season tickets? If this scandal would have been in a major market, there is no way it would have stayed hidden for that long. EVERYONE that knew and did nothing is to blame. Tear that statue down, coaches put their pants on one leg at a time, treat them like a human being not a demigod. No one is above the law.

Joe was a monster!!!! He fed young men to his "gimp" in the shower. He allowed his building to be a house of horrors. He deserves no sympathy. All his accomplishments don't mean a thing. What was the cost for all those wins? Jail for all who knew!!! No Fucking Mercy

The statue of Paterno will never come down no matter how many children click on Cote's pole...lol

lets slam out of touch billionaires because it is just unfair some have and some don't.

lio b,
sandusky was an animal who will spend the rest of his days incarcerated,, that is his sentence, removed from society & freedom. The justice system doesn't allow further punishment in prison. Paterno never did anything to hurt any of those boys and the horror of it all killed the elderly coach.

Jimbo you couldn't possibly be any more out of touch with reality buddy.

It's the Community. They will accept Joe cause he didn't do it(OJ didn't do it either).

The Amish feel even if U see someone do/doing something bad, snitching is worst than Committing a Crime. It's a West Virginia Frame Of Mind. People that live on Hills and do Crazy Stuff, Snake Charmers. Bill from the Hill.

Now Since they will keep the Statue Of The Predators Daddy. It gives Idiot's like me the Right to make fun of it.

Question Joe with what finger did u touch the little boys sandusky didn't want?
http://blogs.herald.com/.a/6a00d83451587d69e20167687f6700970b-320wi

Was Lavar Arrington one of them? What About Matt Millen?
http://www.fightingirish101.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/Joe-Paterno-Statue3-300x220.jpg

What's that, they are going to Add more Piece's to the Pedophile Shrine?
http://media.lockerdome.com/uploads/f53d3b8e05261eb202ee627370b0abb0_large

To make it Believable.

Mr. Woodcock,

they ought to take down number 32 and replace it with his current nevada orange jersey (part of jumpsuit) and put his nevada correctional number up there in its stead. have they taken down reggie bush's 5? that should have been done as soon as he gave back the heisman. some of the guys who finished second in the heisman vote- ricky bell 42 and anthony davis 28 deserve their numbers retired. both were fantastic players for the cardinal and gold.

BLAKE GRIFFIN NOW OUT:

meniscus (isn't that kneecap) and another frontcourt player is lost from this year's bunch. lebron james, or maybe kevin love, will probably be the back-up to tyson chandler at center, which will be an improvement. with so many of the top tier NBA players now not going to the olympics, it will be a young durant, an in his prime james, and an aged kobe bryant leading the troops. maybe anthony davis will get the back-up minutes once chandler is removed. he is a truly gifted player at either center or forward- can shoot and defend well.

KYRIE IRVING BREAKS HAND BANGING WALL AFTER TURNOVER IN A SCRIMMAGE!!!

i thought you had to be smart to go to duke; guess again chester.

Dashi- I will try to make a couple of points, and lets move on.
1- I dont know of any NFL player who was considered bad, and went on to a HOF career as a top 1-3 player at his position.
2- the 49ers would trade Willis in a New York minute, if they could get Rivers, or Flacco, never mind any of the top 6 guys.
3- How do you think Venetari got in fg position at the end of those games to make those kicks?
4- When Pats won those 3 SB, Brady did not have any top WRS. The qb position is more then stats, it has a lot to do how you perform under pressure in crunch time. You can be 11-40 with 3 INTS, when the game is on the line and you need to score to win the game, thats where the top guys come thru more often yhen not.

Shadow, you know I'm basically pulling your chain. You do get a weird feeling seeing O.J.'s huge #32 up on the stands. I'm not sure why they haven't taken it down but it's not even an issue here as you probably know.

1. Tom Brady, Troy Aikman, Brett(He was traded to the Packers), Etc. Etc.

2. Will Baltimore trade Ray Lewis? U apparently don't know how good Willis is. Did the Bears trade BU in his prime.

3. Vinateri kicked FG's because Brady couldn't score TD's.

4. Brady had WR's in the Beginning. Troy Brown, Terry Glenn, Deion Branch. Brady had D.Graham as a TE, Which was basically A.Hernandez. RB's R.Edwards and C.Dillon, With K.Falk as his 3rd down RB his Whole Career.

Brady was never Great, He has been consistently Good the Last Couple Years, With the 1 great Season back in 08

Moving On, Don't let me Expose Big Ben.


The SB thing Just going back to 2000 u can see U need a team,not just a QB

2000

Rams/Titans - 1 QB with a great O, Against a Good Team

Ravens/Giants- All Defense, Ravens have MLB

Patriots/Rams- Defense beats Offense(Brady Sucked, Patriots had great LB's)

Bucs/Raiders- QB's? Another All Defense Game

Patriots/Panthers-QB? Defensive SB.(Brady was Garbage Again)

Patriots/Eagles-QB? Another Defensive Affair. Mcnabb was Worst than Brady.

Stellers/Seahawks- QB's? another one for D wins Title

Colts/Bears-Manning Finally Wins with the Best Defense in his Career. Bears had a MLB

Giants/Patriots- Defense wins, Brady had a Great year. Eli was Average.

Steelers/Cardinals- OK Qb's(Ben was Average), Steelers always win with Great D, Best D Cardinals ever had. Two great All Around Teams.

Saints/Colts- Best QB matchup in recent SB history. Colt's D got old and Drew had the Best D he's had in NO.

Packers/Steelers- 2 Good QB's. Ben is not garbage anymore. Packers D was under-rated. They Forced alot of T/O. 2 Real good Overall Teams.

Giants/Patriots- 2 average QB's that grew in to being HOF'ers. The better D won.

So Out of 13 SB, Only 4 have really been decided because 1 team had a Great QB, Compared to the Better Overall team or Better Defense.

When U think About it 26 teams played in 13 SB and only about 4-8 teams only made it because of Great QB play. That's less than half of the Teams that Participated in the SB.

Oh yeah Big Ben and Eli were Average until Recently

Dashi, you are a moron and you have brought down the level of discourse on this blog. (look it up)

Moe, at least when I tell Tubesteak Dave that the Beatles suck it's tongue in cheek when Dash says things like Brady sucks you have to wonder where the hell did he put his brain before he started typing. Oye Dash, bro you need to lay off the narcotics that stuff is going to make you null and void.

Please do NOT change the logo! The dolphin stadium logo is a terrible idea. Bland, faceless, and unimpressive. Plus, the Marlins just did that. If anything at all...wear retro uniforms again with a clean look. So silly of a team with history like the Phins..with Csonka, back to back SBs, Marino, Buoniconti, Shula, The Marks Bros, etc. to want to change their logo as a gimmick. Fire the whole front office.

Penn State: The only place where you can major in minors.

Mr. Woodcock,

nothing that the despicable #32 did had anything to do with USC and was 30 years removed from his playing career. the guy is in stir, for life i say hopefully, and he can rot there with his conscience eating away at him. but the fact that he was among the five greatest, if not the greatest runner, in college football in my lifetime and secured a national champiosnship as a junior and a second place finish as a senior when a mighty ohio state defeated SC, warrants that number up there for his football achievements, including wining the heisman by what i still think is the largest margin ever. so as grating as it is, 32 stays up, while the subhuman who wore it is down the river. i would think that most people would say that taking his number down for non-football, non-USC related crimes shouldn't bear on his career, which was an incredible one. i guess part of his "punishment" is that in the greatest trojans poll, marcus allen comes in at #1.

RE: JOE PATERNO'S STATUE

they could have a public hauling to earth of the thing, then put it on display next to the saddam hussein statue that is in mothballs (or was it melted down to make bullets for the new "regime"?) one statue that'll never come down- "mr. cub"-ernie banks- the beloved ballplayer who won back-to-back MVPs with last place teams; a guy who is a living testament to the notion that greatness is not dependent on trophies or rings. the only downside to the 69 mets was that it came at the expense of banks and santo and jenkins and billy williams and the rest of the cubbies who never again sniffed a pennant chase.

Hey Moe any relation to Larry, since u want to use the three stooges. Or is it Alexander today? Long time no hate. Always talking about the Dashi but never sharing ur opinion. Be easy Lowlife.

Brady was Average(sucked) for most of his career, he's just been in the same system for 12+ years. He would be a moron if he didn't become good. He should only have to worry about reading defense's by now.

Lets cut it down to 4000yds 30td's season, how many of those does Brady have? 2-3 seasons.

How many 4000+ yd seasons does peyton have? 10+

Again, it's easy to insult and call the other person a idiot when u don't have answers to the question. I gave u clowns an explanation why u need more than just a great Qb to win a SB. U need a team.

No Narc's just Philly Blunts, If u classify that as a Narcotic U might as well bring back prohibition.

Now is Dashi a little narcissistic? Yes

Oh yeah, oj didn't do it. Stop hating on the man. Goldman and Nicole weren't saints or even average people. Look back at the setup.

Dashi- I have to end our conversation when you call Brady BAD+ GAGBAGE!!!

Dashi,

i don't think "phillies blunts" are classified as cigars or even cigarillos; probably made from the stuff they used to sell in TJ as "horses*it cigarettes" when we went there as kids and teenagers. nasteeeee!

Naples you call our team garbage all the time and we still talk to you.

Shadow, you must have been at the same all you can drink Manishewitz party that Tubesteak Dave attended on Saturday. O.J. Simpson was declared not guilty by 12 brain dead imbeciles from South Central Los Angeles, most thinking that O.J. was a bronze god sent from the land of Leroy to fly over the battle fields at the Coliseum. Regardless of what those twelve mostly Mau Maus did in saying "He not gilty!" sic., The whole world knows that he made pezz dispensers out of his ex wife and a fellow tribesman. Common sense prevailed a few years later when the father of your dead tribesman hired another fellow tribesman to sue Mr. Simpson for every freaking penny that he had and twelve mostly liberal Democrats from Santa Monica and the Westside agreed that he was liable for killing two people and that ass wipe wound up living in Miami playing munis at twilight rates for 15 bucks a round. Everyone with on brain cell inside their cranium knows that O.J. Simpson is a double murderer. For you to sit there and blow smoke about what a great runner he was and all this bull shit in a vain attempt to somehow excuse the inexcusable is beyond ridiculous. O.J. Simpson is as much a black mark, no pun intended, on USC as Patterno is at Penn State.

Say Dave, was there one of those Hollywood Hills orgies at the Manisheitz party on Saturday. I sure hope you brought a proper cork to the party. I know Shadow brought a cork to the party. You on the other hand either used one of those screw off caps that the Hebs put on the bottles of Manishewitz or you don't mind taking it up the ass during the orgy while you're banging a chick. I have no doubt that Shadow puts his cork firmly up his ass before he gets down to business but you musicians are a little freaky when it comes to sex most of you don't even wear underwear, and like you like to say "There's going to be lots of sucking going on tonight." Boy, I sure hope that you're sucking on the right object there Tubesteak.

Brady is no longer Scum, He's a Top 5 QB right now.

I'm talking about young Tom Brady, the won who won 3 SB's. That guy was an Average QB. U know the guy who ran the 8 second 40. Tom has a will to win and that's what made him great, just don't tell me the Young Tom was an all time great right off the bat. He had to work at it.

Read between the line Shadow. Philly Blounts are next to Blunt Wraps. Where's the Tobacco?

No reasonable human being will smoke Processed Tobacco. U've seen the Commercial's. Chewing Tobacco is just as bad, don't swallow. Tried it once, Didn't find the point in having to spit everywhere, Mouth full of saliva just to get a little light headed.

Dude, you need to put down the bong.

For Sale: FIFTY YEAR OLD MANURE SPREADER - $1.00

Fifty-year old manure spreader. Not sure of brand. Said to have been produced in Kenya. Used for a few years in Indonesia before being smuggled into the US via Hawaii. Of questionable pedigree. Does not appear to have ever been worked hard. Apparently it was pampered by various owners over the years.

It doesn't work very often, but when it does it... can really sling the shit for amazing distances. I am hoping to retire the manure spreader this November. I really don't want it hanging around getting in the way. I would prefer a foreign buyer to relocate the manure spreader out of the country. I would be willing to trade it for a nicely framed copy of the United States Constitution.

Location: Currently being stored in a big white house in Washington , D.C

What's A Bong?

Jimbo,

You are agreat american, keep up the good work.

Dashi--see Bongo explanation below.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bong

Naples Jack, I like you but Beli-cheat is the Devil and he got lucky with Brady.

Dashi--Brady has been great since he took over ,Woodcock is right, put down the bongo.

Don,t wast your time jack with an idiot like dashi. If you say it is black, he says white. If you say daytime, he says its night time. kazaam was right when he says the guy is an idiot. If our dolphins had brady from day 1, took use to 5 sb and won 3, he would put the guy on mount rushmore. I think he is one of the guys selling bottle water I see when I have to drive thru Liberty City.

Come on we all know what a bong is. Sarcasm, I'm just f'n with ya.

Brady became great, he was average and he didn't turn the ball over. U can say after Brady's 10th yr he became great. People questioned Brady even after winning the 3. Everyone said it was the team not Brady. How quick we forget.

Gloves why sell water, When I got people selling flowers by the highway. Do they even call it Liberty City Anymore? Liberty City is only a 10 block area now?

I miss Shazaam as much as the next guy, don't miss his interpretation of ethnic humor.

Oh yeah, OJ didn't do it.

Mr. Woodcock,

your response is a good example of why i try my best not to direct anything your way, and this time i learned my lesson. i don't even mention the guy's name, say he can rot in prison and let his conscience get to him,... and just remark that despite his actions in 1994, they and he were far removed from his playing days of 67- 1jan69. the forewoman of the jury was a customer of ours in gardena and i was spared the trial and all its circus atmosphere and horrible verdict by being in the Holy Land. i'll spare myself any interchanges with you in the future.

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