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February 07, 2012

Is Ricky Williams worthy of Dolphins Honor Roll? (with poll); plus first look at Marlins ballpark in action!, LeBron, Yoenis, Louis Vuitton condoms & more

1aa1hank3[1) Thanks to all today's live-chatters. Do it every Wednesday 1-2 p.m. Click HERE to join us then or to post questions any time. 2) You can still vote in our best-NFL-quarterback poll in blogpost directly below this newest one. 3) Excited! Hank 3 (pictured) playing the Culture Room in Fort Lauderdale March 7. He's Hank Williams' grandson and Hank Jr.'s kid, a bizarre amalgam of hell-billy punk-country. 4) Join us on Twitter @gregcote]

1aa1ricky2MEASURING THE CAREER OF RICKY WILLIAMS: Longtime former Dolphins running back Ricky Williams told the Ravens today he retiring, according to multiple news reports. Williams, 34, had a very good NFL career, his 10,009 rushing yards making him one of only 26 runners to reach that plateau. He is not a Hall of Famer, but enjoyed a much above-average career from a football 1aa1ricky1standpoint. The more interesting discussion is the measure of his Dolphins career that spanned 2002-10 with a couple of controversial years off in between. I present the poll below because I think the question is arguable. The case for his being on the Honor Roll someday: His 6,436 rushing yards as a Dolphin rank second in club history, trailing iconic Larry Csonka by only 301 yards. The case against: The abrupt retirement and drug-related suspensions calling to question whether Ricky's name and the word "honor" should be linked. (Then again I would remind that Csonka left the Dolphins in the lurch, too, once, leaving for the WFL). Williams led a fascinating career/life, going from vilified by fans here to somewhat beloved, embraced again. Do I think Williams will make the team's Honor Roll someday? I would bet hugely against it. But do I think he should? I'd lean yes but don't feel strongly. How do you feel and why?

1aa1mlb12FIRST LOOK AT MARLINS NEW BALLPARK IN ACTION!: This is good. This will be worth a minute of your time. Courtesy PlayStation and MLB 12 The Show, here is a video simulation of what the new ballpark will look like during a game, complete with crowd, retractable dome, fish tanks, wacky home-run wheel, everything. Very realistic. Puts you there.

"THIS ISN'T A NORMAL MVP YEAR...": That was Erik Spoelstra when I asked him about LeBron James 1aa1lebronjbefore last night's Heat win over Cleveland here. We measure great athletes not only by their best performances (and the frequency of them), but by how good they are even when they are -- for them -- not so good. That was LeBron last night. Seemed like he was quiet. Off night. And he still ends up with 24 points. Click on King James for my new column, an ode to the best individual season we have seen since Dan Marino's 1984.

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HERALD TOP 50 FROM 2011: Just saw an internal list of the 50 most-read stories on MiamiHerald.com in 2011 and No. 1 was Dave Barry's 2010 year in review with 770,222 hits. Surprised to see only six sports-related pieces made the list: 24. Sarah Palin's supposed one-night fling with ex-Heat star Glen Rice with 122,918 hits; 29. LeBron just wasn't LeBron throughout the NBA Finals with 111,919; 30. Bottom line: Miami Heat didn't do enough to fulfill dream (a column of mine) with 111,575; 39. Miami Dolphins fire coach Tony Sparano with 86,891; 42. Miami Hurricanes may declare investigated players ineligible with 84,201; and 50. Another Sarah Palin/Glen Rice story with 73,387.

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Yes, Ricky deserves that Dolphin honor. Who gives a rat's a** about his quirkiness.

Should you, Greg, believe it fair to omit any reference of you by the Herald simply due to your many idiosyncrasies? Things like eating all the chocolate covered donuts on donut Fridays, or taking a three week sabbatical away from the paper to go off to Legoland and build a 60' lego likeness of Hillary Clinton. Come on, man, give him a break!

The Dolphins aren't worthy of a Dolphin honor, if Ricky William not, putting up with that sorry team,and terrible management.

Ricky Williams was the most talented running back the Dolphins have had in a long while. Sure, he had his fair share of mishaps, and he did leave the Dolphins in a hell of a bind right before the start of the '04 season I believe, but I don't blame him for not wanting to be Dave Wannstedt's mule. If it were up to Wannstedt, Ricky would have been run to the ground and he wouldn't be able to walk straight for the rest of his life. There's life outside of football, and nobody knew that better than Ricky. Even with all the baggage, he deserves a spot on the Dolphins' Honor Roll.

Don't like college basketball, don't know anything about UM or Virginia Tech, but their coach had some funny comments on Reggie Johnson:


“Well, he’s a mountain masquerading as a man. He’s a massive mass of humanity.”

“Again, it’s like a different time zone when you get from one side to the other side. So he has the ability to create an angle and finish around the basket, not by getting up, but by creating angles because of the size of his body.”

“A lot of times there is a direct correlation between the size of someone’s rear end and their ability to score. But he’s like SpongeBob SquarePants. The guy is square. It is impossible to get around the guy.”

I have mixed emotions about Ricky joining the honor roll, the guy was a total wacko for a while but later on he was a true proffesional.

not sure which way to go..

Ricky Williams probably deserves it but those honors are usually dependent on the players' impact on the franchise as much as their play, hence big donor Edge James being in UM's honor roll instead of Warren Sapp, Ray Lewis, or Michael Irvin.

The retirement probably disqualifies Ricky for a decade or so, if the Dolphins draft a franchise feature running back (like Peterson or Gore or Rice) in the meantime he may never make it, otherwise he'll remain the best feature running back the Miami Dolphins have ever had and will eventually make it up there.

Ricky Williams is a study in a wasted career. He could have been one of the best if not for his quirky behavior. Too bad.

No I don't think he belongs in the ring of honor. What honor did Ricky uphold, his or the team's when he bailed out to count sea gulls in Thailand or where ever the hell he went. Of the recent players I can only think of two, Zach Thomas and Jason Taylor who deserve a spot.

The NFL is a brutal business and you can't blame Ricky for taking some unpaid leave- he's forgiven- but we shouldn't compare the 'lurchiness' of his departure with Csonka's.

Close, but no cigar.

Woodcock,

agree with you, both Z Thomas & J Taylor deserve to go in together.


One of my alltime favorite players. Still averaging 4.1 yards per carry over the last couple of years. Come on back for one more year Ricky. If not...I'm lighting up a fatty for you right now.

All time favorite Dolphins
1. Dan (duh)
2. Csonka
3. Ricky

A total loser. You all must have short memories. of Ricky running away not once but twice. So stop the bullshit ,trying to spin Miami athletics like their hero's . total spin job by Greg Cote.

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No vote on Ricky Williams.

What the hell did Ricky do here? He had some nice seasons but nothing spectacular enough to warrant the ring of honor. Don't cheapen the honor.

Peyton Manning + Reggie Bush + Brandon Marshall + Davone Bess + Justin Blackmon + Jake Long + Mike Pouncey === Miami finally having a dynamic offense again and a super bowl drought potentially coming to an end. Let's go! Flynn or Manning.

Loved watching Ricky. Was sad to see him struggle with so many personal issues. Despite all of that, and despite some choices that folks might consider selfish, I still think he was a good guy just trying to make his way in the world.

Congrats to you Ricky on an excellent career. Good luck in whatever you set your sights on next. Godspeed.

A no brainer. Not even close. IT'LL NEVER HAPPEN! Ricky had a couple of outstanding seasons, then left this organization with its pants by it's ankles while he pursued his own journey. He bailed when he was in his prime. His nice performance as a backup journeyman back the past few years was great. And when all is said and done, we can all say he was a good Dolphin. But there are at least a half dozen players that belong on the Honor Roll before Ricky.

Just off the top of my head, I'd throw in John Offerdahl, Lyle Blackwood, Tony Nathan, OJ McDuffie, Sam Madison and Tim Bowens before Ricky. Taking into account productivity, "class", and loyalty of service, they all contributed more to the Fins than Ricky did. And none of those will ever see the Honor Roll, and neither will Ricky.

I didn't mention Zach and JT because they are no brainer locks in coming years.

I meant Glenn Blackwood... not Lyle. I may be wrong, but I think Glenn is actually the Dolphin with the most INT's as Fin. Anyway, still not getting in... either of them.

Quite simply, Ricky had the best season and best two-year stretch of any RB in Dolphins history - and it's not even close. In '02 and '03, he was the entire offense. Miami went 19-13. Yes, they missed the playoffs, but no one in their right mind could lay that on him. He had a second act as part of the Ronnie & Ricky show, the wildcat, the worst to first season, then had another 1,000 season in '09 when Ronnie got hurt. C'mon. He absolutely belongs in the ring of honor.

Hey, "Double Trouble for Rupert" I read that book as a kid.

Are you insane? I'm not sure where to rank him among Phin RB's but he's a definite second to Csonka. And I still liked Mercury Morris better as well.

The thing about Csonka though was that he bailed on us ..granted, Joe Robbie was a cheapskate at the time. Lesson learned.

Shadow, I'm doubting you're following the African Nations Cup but who do you like in the semi's today?
-Ghana vs Zambia
-Ivory Coat vs Mali

Obvious traditional favorites are Ghana and I. Coast, but Ghana sometimes chokes in the big game. Zambia has a decent coach.

Mali has beaten I. Coast only once in 27 tries. B They have 1982 French World Cup midfieler Alain Giresse as coach.

I just saw some highlughs of the tournament thus far. As well as Premier League Goals of the year to date. Awesome stuff.

All-time favoriteb Fins. 1)AJ Feeley, 2)Robin Sendlein, 3)Jackie Shipp, 4)Dante Culpepper, 5)Ted Ginn Jr & family...

Favorite Fin rb based on speed, moves, athleticism, big play potential 4 way tie: Joe Carter, Woody Bennett, Sammie Smith, Cecil the Diesal.


Honorable mention to previous first round pick Lorenzo Hampton.

If Ross allows Ricky to walk on the Orange carpet, that should be more then enough of an honor for him................

Ricky was a workhorse for the Dolphins when they needed it and a solid backup when they asked him for that too. He played with mediocre quarterbacks the entire time and kept the Phins relevant. Yes, he deserves the honor.

What a quiet and unspectacular 6000 yards as a Dolphin, and over 10,000 for his career. If you asked me, I would have never thought he did that much. Honor roll people should be off the top of your head, instant no brainers.

Romneymania

"The raw energy and enthusiasm Mitt Romney stirs inside people is like nothing I've ever seen," Youngstown, OH auto mechanic Chris Ritenour said Wednesday. "Everything he says resonates with Americans. His moving story of growing up privileged, his inspiring rise from moderate wealth to overwhelming riches, his thrilling work in the highest echelons of corporate finance—he really speaks to the heart and mind of the common man."

Even more tax cuts for the rich? Hell yes!

http://www.theonion.com/articles/romneymania-sweeps-america,27155/

The Dolphin Ring of Honor is reserved for the Elite Dolphins that ALWAYS gave it their ALL on the field at ALL times for their team and teammates...

Ricky Williams never stepped on a Football field, at any level, where he NEVER and ALWAYS gave it his ALL for his team and teammates... And produced at the highest level.

Ricky Williams is IN ...

Would like to see his Honor sign striped in Jamaican Red-Yellow-Green rather than Aqua though.

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Bet you can't click these links and not watch EVERY second of them.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ROcseJIFJYE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qx3rZOBxWl8&feature=related

BAD BOY !!! 'nuff said.

Plain and simple... We Dolfans, in 2002, hadn't had a player to watch like this with the ball in his hands since Dan Marino ... And still haven't since.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BgcTyntrysA

Run Ricky Run

mike1 - Csonka and Morris were specialty backs, neither one ever had a season like Ricky Williams' 2002 year, he's easily the best feature back the Dolphins have ever had.

The Onion is great, Romney is going to get eaten alive by Obama's campaign, they don't even have to spin anything like they did with McCain.

Ricky in '02 was an absolute beast. Almost 2,000 rushing yards that year with a poor offensive line, and Jay Fiedler at QB. The man was unstoppable when on. Perfect RB size, speed, and above all TOUGHNESS. Nobody could take a hit like Ricky. Maybe the Edge.

Hank 3 looks like an Elf

That story about the Grenades is wild, I actually live very,very close to that house, I sure am glad I didn't get into a fight with that dude.

I'm pretty sure "Los Marlins" will find a way to f*** up this Yoenis Cespedes deal, like maybe taking him to dinner at Carrabas or Joe's Stones crabs instead of "la Carreta", also, make sure David Sampson is not there.

Cote, if you are going to show a girl is bikini showing her behind, show a good one.

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There..

Now if only the Dolphins can find one of these...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPzxkSyiruM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hk0E9wMr1sg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPgwhhLJmkE&feature=related


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9R4T7mukapE

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And not have a Coach like Wannstedt or Switzer run them into the ground.

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the problem is, she doesn't know it yet.

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Mittens probably not a big fan of Ricky's (or of "La Carreta").

He thought his sign would be well received at an event with a few hundred mostly Hispanic supporters and a heavily Cuban flavor -- including a heap of lechón.

http://blogs.miaminewtimes.com/riptide/2012/02/mitt_romney_staffers_tossed_su.php


Plain and simple... We Dolfans, in 2002, hadn't had a player to watch like this with the ball in his hands since Dan Marino ... And still haven't since.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BgcTyntrysA

Run Ricky Run

Posted by: Best Dolphin RB EVER ... Imagine Zonk blocking For Him ? | February 08, 2012 at 12:35 PM

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Peyton Manning ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0SGrpSOgaR4&feature=related

A GREAT Football Player that happened to play Runningback.

La jeva esa esta encendida mi socio!

"Plain and simple... We Dolfans, in 2002, hadn't had a player to watch like this with the ball in his hands since Dan Marino ... And still haven't since"

I will correct this:

"Plain and simple... We Dolfans, in 2002, hadn't had a player to watch like this with the ball in his hands since Dan Marino's early years ... And still haven't since"


Csonka #1 always. Carries 10 defenders with him. Where he runs, he doesn't need any stinkin holes.

FZB, in this day and age, how do we know Vida Guerra's butt is real?

This is mine, Ewa Sonnet (yes, there are clothesless pics elsewhere) - natural


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I thought "trashiest" meant garbage cans everywhere. I guess it wasn't that bad after all. So just yesterday, Miami was rated in the top 10 places to date.


Manning? Be careful what you wish for. If he's going to stand in the pocket, afraid to get hit but can't move like Marino...that's all we're going to see. If he is not mentally afected by his neck injury, then you have to commend the guy.

Greg,

How can you state so nonchalantly that Ricky Williams is not deserving of being in Canton?

Look, I'm as much a supporter of Larry Csonka as the next guy, but if you look at pure productivity, Ricky's numbers were comparable, if not better.

Csonka: 8081 yards, 11 years, 68 TD's
Williams: 10009 yards, 11 years, 66 TD's

while as Dolphins:

Csonka: 6737 yards, 53 TD's
Williams: 6436 yards, 48 TD's

Not to mention that Williams had 1431 passing yards to Csonka's 690, as Dolphins.


Those who believe that Ricky should not be in the Honor Roll are faulting him for his weirdness, not his game.

All righty then OC....

I like your argument but I highly doubt Ricky gets elected to the Honor Roll, I think the main reason he won't get in is because most Dolphin fans will remember he walk out on the team...

Ya man, smoke'em if you got'em

OC

there's nothing 'weird' about Ricky: Wanting to take some time off from Wantdtstetdt couldn't have been any more normal. He's a good guy! The best player here in ages! A big fan favorite!

Maybe the timing of his absence was just a little bit too off for the honor roll.

Mike 1 that's all black beans and rice in there brother, all naturale!

OC, "There are lies, damn lies, and statistics." Ricky Williams is not a hall of famer.

Woodcock,

How quickly you forget. Take a second look at what "Jaaahhh Ricky" posted above. In my book Ricky was as good a Dolphin's rusher as Csonk. Perhaps better due his passing threat.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ROcseJIFJYE

Duke ,

check out this great blues tune...

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Oye OC,

I get it, R Williams was a heck of a runner but he still left the Dolphins hanging high and dry just before the season started and the guy had a drug problem..

Its commendable he turned his life around and later on became a model citizens but the guy does not belong in there we our other great players...

wishing him the best though...

The guy couldn't carry Csonka's jock out to the field.

FZB, frankly, I could care less how an individual looks, acts, or even if he is borderline crazy. Look, I hang around with Woodcock, don't I?!!!!!

Good point OC

Oye se van pal carajo, I'm a damn good looking man!

OC - check the RBs in the HOF, Ricky doesn't have half the numbers he needs.

Good old Larry was a much better and more dominant player than Ricky Williams in their respective times, but there's no question who the better running back is.

Stanfill, Heinz, and Fernandez would be average sized linebackers today, Csonka wouldn't be carrying Vince Wilfork anywhere, nevermind 9 more modern sized defenders. Ricky Williams' skills pay the bills in any era.

Dolphins are switching to 4-3, so long $olia.

If they pay Langford he and Starks will start at DT with Odrick at DE. Merling and McDaniels aren't enough at the other end spot.

Always hard to find pass rushers in free agency - Calais Campbell and Cliff Avril are both supposed to be franchise tagged.

If the Dolphins are too chickensh*t to gamble on a quarterback in the first round they should at least try to hinder everyone else with a pass rusher.

Better yet, if they find two ends they could let Langford go and move Odrick to the middle, where he and Starks would be above average pass rushers from the tackle spots.

There are 600 projected free agents this year. There is a bonanza of players available. Almost every single team will look completely different than last year.

Kaz,

Let's see if the first shoe drops. If Manning bolts and becomes a Dolphin, that 1st rounder will most likely be Riley Reiff. Given that scenario, the team will do whatever it can to protect Payton's fragile neck.

Why not Get Flynn, Manning & Brees all at once? duh! We'd win for sure.

Kazaam,

The Dolphins should have the "cojones" to draft R Tannehill with our first, if not, why not re-sign Solia and draft Q Couples with our first.

our D-line would be very good

LE-C Wake
LT-Solia
RT-Starks
RE-Odrick

Couples to spell our starters and rush the passer..

You guys are getting too carried away with this Manning thing,my 87 year old Mom can throw it farther than Manning right now , odds are not very good for a full recovery...The guy is done.

Let's keep Moore and draft a young guy for the future.

FZB - Couples sounds good, didn't realize he was a senior.

Dolphins only let up one run longer than 25 yds, it went for 34. But look at the results, if they want to beat the Patriots they need to trade the steller run defense for a pass rush.

Soliai could cost $10 million a year, 8.5% of the cap. 4-3 favors versatile linemen, Odrick and Starks fit, Soliai and Langford not so much.

Wake is an outside linebacker, but that line with Couples starting would be great. Don't think the Dolphins can pay close to a tenth their cap for a fat samoan (i.e. elite) nose tackle to play out of position.

Watched a whole games worth of Tannehill (Northwestern), didn't see a single 'NFL throw'. Still, I'd be thrilled if the Dolphins picked him, he can run and he can throw on the run. Every other throw he made at A&M was a WR screen, he and Brandon Marshall could make a sweet YAC together.

FZB, John Lee Hooker & Santana put me in pleasant hypnotic state. I feel like I've been sitting at a bar after a few beers. There must have been subliminals as part of soundtrack evoking the feeling of being "chilled out" or "above the legal limit." Man, John Lee Hooker. He has to be on the other side of 100yrs old. He's like someone I envision as a contemporary of Robert Johnson and Blind Melon Chitlin...

This is what separates the Zonks from the Rickeys

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SF0RaXR4nI&feature=related

and Rickys.

I'm stupid, just ask any of my 3 wives....which makes me stupid for marrying 3 times. That being established, I can't but imagine Marino having Czonka and Ricky.....,Duper and Clayton....that team would have won a SB or 2 or 3!

This is what separated the Ricky from the Zonk.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNgMK6BfA6M

LOL How true Kazaam...

duke, I feel you slowly, not so subtly, accepting, transforming into a Giant fan. Much like Kazaan's fallback into Ravens, a secure option which allows a level of sanity, given the many years of Dolphins disappointments.

Thanks again, Ricky. Beyond the many dissers, you were one of our top ten Dolphins! Good luck going forward.

OC you need some decaff, dude, he's not even in the top 25. A total disappointment, waste of talent.

Marino, Csonka, Warfield, Taylor, Little, Griese....hmm... wait, we can't say Ricky yet...aahhh, yeah, that's right - Chambers, Cox, come on man, anyone but Rasta... Sure, Swift, Offerdahl, but not that pothead, for Duhe's sake!!!

Oh, oh, oh, wait! There's Curtis johnson!

RICKY WILLIAMS - A TOP 10 DOLPHIN - REGARDLESS OF WHO RECOGNIZES YOU OR NOT. THANKS!!!

Sure, Woody.

I defy you to list 10 Dolphins more worthy of #34. Go ahead. Put your puny mind to it. List 10 guys who did more for Miami.

Nalga.

Can ANYONE place 10 names who represent the very "BEST" Dolphins' players of all time, and NOT have Ricky on it?????

Go ahead, make your case!!!

Go ahead Woody, where would you put Williams? In the just another player category?!

Give my his placement, according to you!

Here are my top 10 all-time Dolphins:

1. Marino
2. Taylor
3. Csonka
4. Kuechenberrg
5. Clayton
6. Williams
7. Thomas
8. Webb
9. Moore
10. Bowens

Hey, I see Cote is on facebook, just friended yesterday, if your'e on it good way for us all to hook up.

OC, the Fins always come first. But yes I feel a certain indebtedness to the Giants for having beaten the Broncos, Bills and now Patriots twice. One of those SBs a Perfect Season saving win for the Fins. I like that they kicked Tiki Barbar to curb preventing the prick from getting his ring, the CPO Sharkey lookin' mutherf***er. And last but not least they help me remeber how much fun winning actually is.

remember.

Yes!Ricky is the best thing the Dolphins had in a long time...Ricky could have made the NFL Hall of Fame if the Dolphins would have added a quailty QB and WRs, the load can get tough for one man...Ask Barry Sanders.

I guess I owe a more perverse form of indebtedness to Pats as the thrill of watching them get beat in the biggest of games does not get old for this Dolphin fan.

I am one who believe that Duper and Clayton should get the same love that Marino gets...No Mark brothers, No Marino. Yea, I said it.

Ricky deserves to be honored by the Miami Dolphins more than Jason The Jet. Disgraceful that we allowed Jason The Jet back, and then honored him: Rex Ryan's dirty little move. Jason Taylor becoming a New York Jet was one of the most painful histories as a Miami Dolphin, and then letting him back and honoring him made me feel used as a fan.

mIKE1- tHANKS FOR THE UPDATE ON THAT ALL IMPORTANT AFRICAN NATIONS CUP. GO SLOW MY BEATING HEART.

No way, no how. I'm starting to think that those who post on here are about 20 years old and choose to forget the loathing we all felt for Ricky when he up and quit. 99.9% of the folks who posted here wanted to burn him in effigy. Someone here posted a youtube clip of Ricky's 2002 season. He looked great, but did you see the holes he was running through? Huge. An average back would have run for 1500 yards that year. Ricky was good, but elite? Nah. Definitely not worth two first round picks and definitely a no from me for the Ring of Honor.

He wasn't even better than Doug Swift and Swift wasn't a starter.

See OC, this is why you're an idiot. You didn't even include Paul Warfield in your top 10 list. The emperor has no clothes.

ESPN and others reporting WAC & C-USA meeting to create a combined conference and that FIU will receive invitation to join conference shortly thereafter. Al Golden's previous program, Temple, is set to join the new conference as well.

C-USA is obviously no SEC, but a significant jump towards respectability compared to Sunbelt.

PANTHERS ON THE RISE!

OC, you forgot Dick Anderson, Jake Scott, Nick Bouniconti, Larry Little and maybe even some field goal kickers.

and where the hell is Griese????

redksy,

The Giants just won the Super Bowl with the #32 (aka the worst) running game in the NFL.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/team/_/stat/rushing/seasontype/2

All around QB ability is what counts, not just some passing statistics because they throw all the time. Like maneuvering in the backfield, escaping sacks (I don't mean throwing the ball away or throwing pick 6's), running threat, ability to properly hand off the ball..without a stuttering, slow-motion telegraphed hand-off.

I didn't forget any of those guys. Williams had more than twice the output to that of Paul Warfield. 3461 total yards within those five years as a Dolphin to Ricky's 7867 in seven years.

Kazaam, to go along with your smaller defenses today than yesterday, the offensive line was similarly smaller. It's all relative.

If you want to use modern day vs older day arguments, than realize that QBs have it 10 times easier than those back in the 60-70's and earlier. As you go back further, it was even worse. Football evolved from being a running game sport. Rules came later.

-passes had to be thrown from 5 yrs behind the line
-incompletions in the end zone were touchbacks for the other team
-until the 70's, receivers could be bumped all the way down field
-no spiking or throwing the ball away out of pocket
-no goalpost on the goal line to interfere with passes
-rough sacks were ok as long as not a late hit
--probably some more I left out

You can't compare eras.

OC,

There were 2 RB's in the backfield then at all times. The total yardage was split up more.

I'm not sure what the average per rush was, but that is probably more a factor than total yards.

Also have to consider style, legendary status, contribution to team achieving the Super Bowl. Zonk and Morris had two of the coolest, yet contrasting running styles I've ever seen.

They both skipped out on the team but Ricky's was much weirder. Csonka left with Kiick and Warfield to try the WFL because of a huge salary which Robbie was too cheap to even come close to matching .. he never did that again.

You guys are always measuring greatness in statistics. It's a fator sometimes, but not all the time.

OC thinks that Aerosmith is a better band than the Beatles because the Beatles were only around for 9 years.

that argument works both ways, as defending against a featured back is no longer a guessing game, thus making it harder, not easier for that one back to accrue yards. Not to mention durability issues.

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