Is Ricky Williams worthy of Dolphins Honor Roll? (with poll); plus first look at Marlins ballpark in action!, LeBron, Yoenis, Louis Vuitton condoms & more
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MEASURING THE CAREER OF RICKY WILLIAMS: Longtime former Dolphins running back Ricky Williams told the Ravens today he retiring, according to multiple news reports. Williams, 34, had a very good NFL career, his 10,009 rushing yards making him one of only 26 runners to reach that plateau. He is not a Hall of Famer, but enjoyed a much above-average career from a football standpoint. The more interesting discussion is the measure of his Dolphins career that spanned 2002-10 with a couple of controversial years off in between. I present the poll below because I think the question is arguable. The case for his being on the Honor Roll someday: His 6,436 rushing yards as a Dolphin rank second in club history, trailing iconic Larry Csonka by only 301 yards. The case against: The abrupt retirement and drug-related suspensions calling to question whether Ricky's name and the word "honor" should be linked. (Then again I would remind that Csonka left the Dolphins in the lurch, too, once, leaving for the WFL). Williams led a fascinating career/life, going from vilified by fans here to somewhat beloved, embraced again. Do I think Williams will make the team's Honor Roll someday? I would bet hugely against it. But do I think he should? I'd lean yes but don't feel strongly. How do you feel and why?
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Yes, Ricky deserves that Dolphin honor. Who gives a rat's a** about his quirkiness.
Should you, Greg, believe it fair to omit any reference of you by the Herald simply due to your many idiosyncrasies? Things like eating all the chocolate covered donuts on donut Fridays, or taking a three week sabbatical away from the paper to go off to Legoland and build a 60' lego likeness of Hillary Clinton. Come on, man, give him a break!
Ricky Williams was the most talented running back the Dolphins have had in a long while. Sure, he had his fair share of mishaps, and he did leave the Dolphins in a hell of a bind right before the start of the '04 season I believe, but I don't blame him for not wanting to be Dave Wannstedt's mule. If it were up to Wannstedt, Ricky would have been run to the ground and he wouldn't be able to walk straight for the rest of his life. There's life outside of football, and nobody knew that better than Ricky. Even with all the baggage, he deserves a spot on the Dolphins' Honor Roll.
Don't like college basketball, don't know anything about UM or Virginia Tech, but their coach had some funny comments on Reggie Johnson:
“Well, he’s a mountain masquerading as a man. He’s a massive mass of humanity.”
“Again, it’s like a different time zone when you get from one side to the other side. So he has the ability to create an angle and finish around the basket, not by getting up, but by creating angles because of the size of his body.”
“A lot of times there is a direct correlation between the size of someone’s rear end and their ability to score. But he’s like SpongeBob SquarePants. The guy is square. It is impossible to get around the guy.”
Ricky Williams probably deserves it but those honors are usually dependent on the players' impact on the franchise as much as their play, hence big donor Edge James being in UM's honor roll instead of Warren Sapp, Ray Lewis, or Michael Irvin.
The retirement probably disqualifies Ricky for a decade or so, if the Dolphins draft a franchise feature running back (like Peterson or Gore or Rice) in the meantime he may never make it, otherwise he'll remain the best feature running back the Miami Dolphins have ever had and will eventually make it up there.
No I don't think he belongs in the ring of honor. What honor did Ricky uphold, his or the team's when he bailed out to count sea gulls in Thailand or where ever the hell he went. Of the recent players I can only think of two, Zach Thomas and Jason Taylor who deserve a spot.
The NFL is a brutal business and you can't blame Ricky for taking some unpaid leave- he's forgiven- but we shouldn't compare the 'lurchiness' of his departure with Csonka's.
One of my alltime favorite players. Still averaging 4.1 yards per carry over the last couple of years. Come on back for one more year Ricky. If not...I'm lighting up a fatty for you right now.
A total loser. You all must have short memories. of Ricky running away not once but twice. So stop the bullshit ,trying to spin Miami athletics like their hero's . total spin job by Greg Cote.
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Peyton Manning + Reggie Bush + Brandon Marshall + Davone Bess + Justin Blackmon + Jake Long + Mike Pouncey === Miami finally having a dynamic offense again and a super bowl drought potentially coming to an end. Let's go! Flynn or Manning.
Loved watching Ricky. Was sad to see him struggle with so many personal issues. Despite all of that, and despite some choices that folks might consider selfish, I still think he was a good guy just trying to make his way in the world.
Congrats to you Ricky on an excellent career. Good luck in whatever you set your sights on next. Godspeed.
A no brainer. Not even close. IT'LL NEVER HAPPEN! Ricky had a couple of outstanding seasons, then left this organization with its pants by it's ankles while he pursued his own journey. He bailed when he was in his prime. His nice performance as a backup journeyman back the past few years was great. And when all is said and done, we can all say he was a good Dolphin. But there are at least a half dozen players that belong on the Honor Roll before Ricky.
Just off the top of my head, I'd throw in John Offerdahl, Lyle Blackwood, Tony Nathan, OJ McDuffie, Sam Madison and Tim Bowens before Ricky. Taking into account productivity, "class", and loyalty of service, they all contributed more to the Fins than Ricky did. And none of those will ever see the Honor Roll, and neither will Ricky.
I didn't mention Zach and JT because they are no brainer locks in coming years.
I meant Glenn Blackwood... not Lyle. I may be wrong, but I think Glenn is actually the Dolphin with the most INT's as Fin. Anyway, still not getting in... either of them.
Quite simply, Ricky had the best season and best two-year stretch of any RB in Dolphins history - and it's not even close. In '02 and '03, he was the entire offense. Miami went 19-13. Yes, they missed the playoffs, but no one in their right mind could lay that on him. He had a second act as part of the Ronnie & Ricky show, the wildcat, the worst to first season, then had another 1,000 season in '09 when Ronnie got hurt. C'mon. He absolutely belongs in the ring of honor.
Ricky was a workhorse for the Dolphins when they needed it and a solid backup when they asked him for that too. He played with mediocre quarterbacks the entire time and kept the Phins relevant. Yes, he deserves the honor.
What a quiet and unspectacular 6000 yards as a Dolphin, and over 10,000 for his career. If you asked me, I would have never thought he did that much. Honor roll people should be off the top of your head, instant no brainers.
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The Dolphin Ring of Honor is reserved for the Elite Dolphins that ALWAYS gave it their ALL on the field at ALL times for their team and teammates...
Ricky Williams never stepped on a Football field, at any level, where he NEVER and ALWAYS gave it his ALL for his team and teammates... And produced at the highest level.
Ricky Williams is IN ...
Would like to see his Honor sign striped in Jamaican Red-Yellow-Green rather than Aqua though.
Plain and simple... We Dolfans, in 2002, hadn't had a player to watch like this with the ball in his hands since Dan Marino ... And still haven't since.
mike1 - Csonka and Morris were specialty backs, neither one ever had a season like Ricky Williams' 2002 year, he's easily the best feature back the Dolphins have ever had.
The Onion is great, Romney is going to get eaten alive by Obama's campaign, they don't even have to spin anything like they did with McCain.
Ricky in '02 was an absolute beast. Almost 2,000 rushing yards that year with a poor offensive line, and Jay Fiedler at QB. The man was unstoppable when on. Perfect RB size, speed, and above all TOUGHNESS. Nobody could take a hit like Ricky. Maybe the Edge.
That story about the Grenades is wild, I actually live very,very close to that house, I sure am glad I didn't get into a fight with that dude.
I'm pretty sure "Los Marlins" will find a way to f*** up this Yoenis Cespedes deal, like maybe taking him to dinner at Carrabas or Joe's Stones crabs instead of "la Carreta", also, make sure David Sampson is not there.
Cote, if you are going to show a girl is bikini showing her behind, show a good one.
Mittens probably not a big fan of Ricky's (or of "La Carreta").
He thought his sign would be well received at an event with a few hundred mostly Hispanic supporters and a heavily Cuban flavor -- including a heap of lechón.
Plain and simple... We Dolfans, in 2002, hadn't had a player to watch like this with the ball in his hands since Dan Marino ... And still haven't since.
"Plain and simple... We Dolfans, in 2002, hadn't had a player to watch like this with the ball in his hands since Dan Marino ... And still haven't since"
I will correct this:
"Plain and simple... We Dolfans, in 2002, hadn't had a player to watch like this with the ball in his hands since Dan Marino's early years ... And still haven't since"
Csonka #1 always. Carries 10 defenders with him. Where he runs, he doesn't need any stinkin holes.
I thought "trashiest" meant garbage cans everywhere. I guess it wasn't that bad after all. So just yesterday, Miami was rated in the top 10 places to date.
Manning? Be careful what you wish for. If he's going to stand in the pocket, afraid to get hit but can't move like Marino...that's all we're going to see. If he is not mentally afected by his neck injury, then you have to commend the guy.
I like your argument but I highly doubt Ricky gets elected to the Honor Roll, I think the main reason he won't get in is because most Dolphin fans will remember he walk out on the team...
there's nothing 'weird' about Ricky: Wanting to take some time off from Wantdtstetdt couldn't have been any more normal. He's a good guy! The best player here in ages! A big fan favorite!
Maybe the timing of his absence was just a little bit too off for the honor roll.
How quickly you forget. Take a second look at what "Jaaahhh Ricky" posted above. In my book Ricky was as good a Dolphin's rusher as Csonk. Perhaps better due his passing threat.
I get it, R Williams was a heck of a runner but he still left the Dolphins hanging high and dry just before the season started and the guy had a drug problem..
Its commendable he turned his life around and later on became a model citizens but the guy does not belong in there we our other great players...
OC - check the RBs in the HOF, Ricky doesn't have half the numbers he needs.
Good old Larry was a much better and more dominant player than Ricky Williams in their respective times, but there's no question who the better running back is.
Stanfill, Heinz, and Fernandez would be average sized linebackers today, Csonka wouldn't be carrying Vince Wilfork anywhere, nevermind 9 more modern sized defenders. Ricky Williams' skills pay the bills in any era.
If they pay Langford he and Starks will start at DT with Odrick at DE. Merling and McDaniels aren't enough at the other end spot.
Always hard to find pass rushers in free agency - Calais Campbell and Cliff Avril are both supposed to be franchise tagged.
If the Dolphins are too chickensh*t to gamble on a quarterback in the first round they should at least try to hinder everyone else with a pass rusher.
Better yet, if they find two ends they could let Langford go and move Odrick to the middle, where he and Starks would be above average pass rushers from the tackle spots.
There are 600 projected free agents this year. There is a bonanza of players available. Almost every single team will look completely different than last year.
Let's see if the first shoe drops. If Manning bolts and becomes a Dolphin, that 1st rounder will most likely be Riley Reiff. Given that scenario, the team will do whatever it can to protect Payton's fragile neck.
The Dolphins should have the "cojones" to draft R Tannehill with our first, if not, why not re-sign Solia and draft Q Couples with our first.
our D-line would be very good
LE-C Wake
LT-Solia
RT-Starks
RE-Odrick
Couples to spell our starters and rush the passer..
You guys are getting too carried away with this Manning thing,my 87 year old Mom can throw it farther than Manning right now , odds are not very good for a full recovery...The guy is done.
Let's keep Moore and draft a young guy for the future.
FZB - Couples sounds good, didn't realize he was a senior.
Dolphins only let up one run longer than 25 yds, it went for 34. But look at the results, if they want to beat the Patriots they need to trade the steller run defense for a pass rush.
Soliai could cost $10 million a year, 8.5% of the cap. 4-3 favors versatile linemen, Odrick and Starks fit, Soliai and Langford not so much.
Wake is an outside linebacker, but that line with Couples starting would be great. Don't think the Dolphins can pay close to a tenth their cap for a fat samoan (i.e. elite) nose tackle to play out of position.
Watched a whole games worth of Tannehill (Northwestern), didn't see a single 'NFL throw'. Still, I'd be thrilled if the Dolphins picked him, he can run and he can throw on the run. Every other throw he made at A&M was a WR screen, he and Brandon Marshall could make a sweet YAC together.
FZB, John Lee Hooker & Santana put me in pleasant hypnotic state. I feel like I've been sitting at a bar after a few beers. There must have been subliminals as part of soundtrack evoking the feeling of being "chilled out" or "above the legal limit." Man, John Lee Hooker. He has to be on the other side of 100yrs old. He's like someone I envision as a contemporary of Robert Johnson and Blind Melon Chitlin...
I'm stupid, just ask any of my 3 wives....which makes me stupid for marrying 3 times. That being established, I can't but imagine Marino having Czonka and Ricky.....,Duper and Clayton....that team would have won a SB or 2 or 3!
duke, I feel you slowly, not so subtly, accepting, transforming into a Giant fan. Much like Kazaan's fallback into Ravens, a secure option which allows a level of sanity, given the many years of Dolphins disappointments.
Thanks again, Ricky. Beyond the many dissers, you were one of our top ten Dolphins! Good luck going forward.
Marino, Csonka, Warfield, Taylor, Little, Griese....hmm... wait, we can't say Ricky yet...aahhh, yeah, that's right - Chambers, Cox, come on man, anyone but Rasta... Sure, Swift, Offerdahl, but not that pothead, for Duhe's sake!!!
Oh, oh, oh, wait! There's Curtis johnson!
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OC, the Fins always come first. But yes I feel a certain indebtedness to the Giants for having beaten the Broncos, Bills and now Patriots twice. One of those SBs a Perfect Season saving win for the Fins. I like that they kicked Tiki Barbar to curb preventing the prick from getting his ring, the CPO Sharkey lookin' mutherf***er. And last but not least they help me remeber how much fun winning actually is.
Yes!Ricky is the best thing the Dolphins had in a long time...Ricky could have made the NFL Hall of Fame if the Dolphins would have added a quailty QB and WRs, the load can get tough for one man...Ask Barry Sanders.
I guess I owe a more perverse form of indebtedness to Pats as the thrill of watching them get beat in the biggest of games does not get old for this Dolphin fan.
Ricky deserves to be honored by the Miami Dolphins more than Jason The Jet. Disgraceful that we allowed Jason The Jet back, and then honored him: Rex Ryan's dirty little move. Jason Taylor becoming a New York Jet was one of the most painful histories as a Miami Dolphin, and then letting him back and honoring him made me feel used as a fan.
No way, no how. I'm starting to think that those who post on here are about 20 years old and choose to forget the loathing we all felt for Ricky when he up and quit. 99.9% of the folks who posted here wanted to burn him in effigy. Someone here posted a youtube clip of Ricky's 2002 season. He looked great, but did you see the holes he was running through? Huge. An average back would have run for 1500 yards that year. Ricky was good, but elite? Nah. Definitely not worth two first round picks and definitely a no from me for the Ring of Honor.
ESPN and others reporting WAC & C-USA meeting to create a combined conference and that FIU will receive invitation to join conference shortly thereafter. Al Golden's previous program, Temple, is set to join the new conference as well.
C-USA is obviously no SEC, but a significant jump towards respectability compared to Sunbelt.
All around QB ability is what counts, not just some passing statistics because they throw all the time. Like maneuvering in the backfield, escaping sacks (I don't mean throwing the ball away or throwing pick 6's), running threat, ability to properly hand off the ball..without a stuttering, slow-motion telegraphed hand-off.
I didn't forget any of those guys. Williams had more than twice the output to that of Paul Warfield. 3461 total yards within those five years as a Dolphin to Ricky's 7867 in seven years.
Kazaam, to go along with your smaller defenses today than yesterday, the offensive line was similarly smaller. It's all relative.
If you want to use modern day vs older day arguments, than realize that QBs have it 10 times easier than those back in the 60-70's and earlier. As you go back further, it was even worse. Football evolved from being a running game sport. Rules came later.
-passes had to be thrown from 5 yrs behind the line
-incompletions in the end zone were touchbacks for the other team
-until the 70's, receivers could be bumped all the way down field
-no spiking or throwing the ball away out of pocket
-no goalpost on the goal line to interfere with passes
-rough sacks were ok as long as not a late hit
--probably some more I left out
There were 2 RB's in the backfield then at all times. The total yardage was split up more.
I'm not sure what the average per rush was, but that is probably more a factor than total yards.
Also have to consider style, legendary status, contribution to team achieving the Super Bowl. Zonk and Morris had two of the coolest, yet contrasting running styles I've ever seen.
They both skipped out on the team but Ricky's was much weirder. Csonka left with Kiick and Warfield to try the WFL because of a huge salary which Robbie was too cheap to even come close to matching .. he never did that again.
that argument works both ways, as defending against a featured back is no longer a guessing game, thus making it harder, not easier for that one back to accrue yards. Not to mention durability issues.
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Yes, Ricky deserves that Dolphin honor. Who gives a rat's a** about his quirkiness.
Should you, Greg, believe it fair to omit any reference of you by the Herald simply due to your many idiosyncrasies? Things like eating all the chocolate covered donuts on donut Fridays, or taking a three week sabbatical away from the paper to go off to Legoland and build a 60' lego likeness of Hillary Clinton. Come on, man, give him a break!
Posted by: OC Dolphin | February 07, 2012 at 02:56 PM
The Dolphins aren't worthy of a Dolphin honor, if Ricky William not, putting up with that sorry team,and terrible management.
Posted by: Stephen69 | February 07, 2012 at 03:02 PM
Ricky Williams was the most talented running back the Dolphins have had in a long while. Sure, he had his fair share of mishaps, and he did leave the Dolphins in a hell of a bind right before the start of the '04 season I believe, but I don't blame him for not wanting to be Dave Wannstedt's mule. If it were up to Wannstedt, Ricky would have been run to the ground and he wouldn't be able to walk straight for the rest of his life. There's life outside of football, and nobody knew that better than Ricky. Even with all the baggage, he deserves a spot on the Dolphins' Honor Roll.
Posted by: J.A.T. | February 07, 2012 at 03:11 PM
Don't like college basketball, don't know anything about UM or Virginia Tech, but their coach had some funny comments on Reggie Johnson:
“Well, he’s a mountain masquerading as a man. He’s a massive mass of humanity.”
“Again, it’s like a different time zone when you get from one side to the other side. So he has the ability to create an angle and finish around the basket, not by getting up, but by creating angles because of the size of his body.”
“A lot of times there is a direct correlation between the size of someone’s rear end and their ability to score. But he’s like SpongeBob SquarePants. The guy is square. It is impossible to get around the guy.”
Posted by: I am Kazaam | February 07, 2012 at 03:20 PM
I have mixed emotions about Ricky joining the honor roll, the guy was a total wacko for a while but later on he was a true proffesional.
not sure which way to go..
Posted by: FZB | February 07, 2012 at 03:24 PM
Ricky Williams probably deserves it but those honors are usually dependent on the players' impact on the franchise as much as their play, hence big donor Edge James being in UM's honor roll instead of Warren Sapp, Ray Lewis, or Michael Irvin.
The retirement probably disqualifies Ricky for a decade or so, if the Dolphins draft a franchise feature running back (like Peterson or Gore or Rice) in the meantime he may never make it, otherwise he'll remain the best feature running back the Miami Dolphins have ever had and will eventually make it up there.
Posted by: I am Kazaam | February 07, 2012 at 03:28 PM
Ricky Williams is a study in a wasted career. He could have been one of the best if not for his quirky behavior. Too bad.
Posted by: Tom | February 07, 2012 at 03:29 PM
No I don't think he belongs in the ring of honor. What honor did Ricky uphold, his or the team's when he bailed out to count sea gulls in Thailand or where ever the hell he went. Of the recent players I can only think of two, Zach Thomas and Jason Taylor who deserve a spot.
Posted by: Mr. Woodcock | February 07, 2012 at 03:54 PM
The NFL is a brutal business and you can't blame Ricky for taking some unpaid leave- he's forgiven- but we shouldn't compare the 'lurchiness' of his departure with Csonka's.
Close, but no cigar.
Posted by: Nik Shmenga | February 07, 2012 at 04:07 PM
Woodcock,
agree with you, both Z Thomas & J Taylor deserve to go in together.
Posted by: FZB | February 07, 2012 at 04:08 PM
One of my alltime favorite players. Still averaging 4.1 yards per carry over the last couple of years. Come on back for one more year Ricky. If not...I'm lighting up a fatty for you right now.
Posted by: Rick | February 07, 2012 at 04:34 PM
All time favorite Dolphins
1. Dan (duh)
2. Csonka
3. Ricky
Posted by: Rick | February 07, 2012 at 04:37 PM
A total loser. You all must have short memories. of Ricky running away not once but twice. So stop the bullshit ,trying to spin Miami athletics like their hero's . total spin job by Greg Cote.
Posted by: Jonathon Smith | February 07, 2012 at 05:11 PM
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1 hour ago
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Thank you all, but this ain't it, I'm gonna do something really special. "Be you and change the world"
5 hours ago
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Read the words out of Jesus' mouth when he is tempted in the desert .Very Powerful!
2 Feb
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I had the most incredible dream last night. Woke up with so much clarity.how can it get better than this?
31 Jan
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What else is possible?
30 Jan
RickyWilliams Ricky Williams
If you had the unlimited ability to create your own reality, what would it look like?
30 Jan
RickyWilliams Ricky Williams
a great example is the life of Jesus Christ. he lived according to a different reality and was judged & persecuted, end result? Godliness
29 Jan
Posted by: I tweet therefore I am | February 07, 2012 at 06:47 PM
No vote on Ricky Williams.
Posted by: Jimbo | February 07, 2012 at 06:47 PM
What the hell did Ricky do here? He had some nice seasons but nothing spectacular enough to warrant the ring of honor. Don't cheapen the honor.
Posted by: caneswizard | February 07, 2012 at 06:58 PM
Peyton Manning + Reggie Bush + Brandon Marshall + Davone Bess + Justin Blackmon + Jake Long + Mike Pouncey === Miami finally having a dynamic offense again and a super bowl drought potentially coming to an end. Let's go! Flynn or Manning.
Posted by: I am stoned | February 07, 2012 at 08:54 PM
Loved watching Ricky. Was sad to see him struggle with so many personal issues. Despite all of that, and despite some choices that folks might consider selfish, I still think he was a good guy just trying to make his way in the world.
Congrats to you Ricky on an excellent career. Good luck in whatever you set your sights on next. Godspeed.
Posted by: toby | February 07, 2012 at 10:34 PM
A no brainer. Not even close. IT'LL NEVER HAPPEN! Ricky had a couple of outstanding seasons, then left this organization with its pants by it's ankles while he pursued his own journey. He bailed when he was in his prime. His nice performance as a backup journeyman back the past few years was great. And when all is said and done, we can all say he was a good Dolphin. But there are at least a half dozen players that belong on the Honor Roll before Ricky.
Just off the top of my head, I'd throw in John Offerdahl, Lyle Blackwood, Tony Nathan, OJ McDuffie, Sam Madison and Tim Bowens before Ricky. Taking into account productivity, "class", and loyalty of service, they all contributed more to the Fins than Ricky did. And none of those will ever see the Honor Roll, and neither will Ricky.
I didn't mention Zach and JT because they are no brainer locks in coming years.
Posted by: sflafan | February 08, 2012 at 12:30 AM
I meant Glenn Blackwood... not Lyle. I may be wrong, but I think Glenn is actually the Dolphin with the most INT's as Fin. Anyway, still not getting in... either of them.
Posted by: sflafan | February 08, 2012 at 12:36 AM
Quite simply, Ricky had the best season and best two-year stretch of any RB in Dolphins history - and it's not even close. In '02 and '03, he was the entire offense. Miami went 19-13. Yes, they missed the playoffs, but no one in their right mind could lay that on him. He had a second act as part of the Ronnie & Ricky show, the wildcat, the worst to first season, then had another 1,000 season in '09 when Ronnie got hurt. C'mon. He absolutely belongs in the ring of honor.
Posted by: Rupert | February 08, 2012 at 02:26 AM
Hey, "Double Trouble for Rupert" I read that book as a kid.
Are you insane? I'm not sure where to rank him among Phin RB's but he's a definite second to Csonka. And I still liked Mercury Morris better as well.
The thing about Csonka though was that he bailed on us ..granted, Joe Robbie was a cheapskate at the time. Lesson learned.
Posted by: mike1 | February 08, 2012 at 03:12 AM
Shadow, I'm doubting you're following the African Nations Cup but who do you like in the semi's today?
-Ghana vs Zambia
-Ivory Coat vs Mali
Obvious traditional favorites are Ghana and I. Coast, but Ghana sometimes chokes in the big game. Zambia has a decent coach.
Mali has beaten I. Coast only once in 27 tries. B They have 1982 French World Cup midfieler Alain Giresse as coach.
I just saw some highlughs of the tournament thus far. As well as Premier League Goals of the year to date. Awesome stuff.
Posted by: mike1 | February 08, 2012 at 03:15 AM
All-time favoriteb Fins. 1)AJ Feeley, 2)Robin Sendlein, 3)Jackie Shipp, 4)Dante Culpepper, 5)Ted Ginn Jr & family...
Posted by: duke of ny | February 08, 2012 at 04:56 AM
Favorite Fin rb based on speed, moves, athleticism, big play potential 4 way tie: Joe Carter, Woody Bennett, Sammie Smith, Cecil the Diesal.
Posted by: duke of ny | February 08, 2012 at 05:07 AM
Honorable mention to previous first round pick Lorenzo Hampton.
Posted by: duke of ny | February 08, 2012 at 05:17 AM
If Ross allows Ricky to walk on the Orange carpet, that should be more then enough of an honor for him................
Posted by: uglyaqua | February 08, 2012 at 07:37 AM
Ricky was a workhorse for the Dolphins when they needed it and a solid backup when they asked him for that too. He played with mediocre quarterbacks the entire time and kept the Phins relevant. Yes, he deserves the honor.
Posted by: Dolfan abroad | February 08, 2012 at 10:16 AM
What a quiet and unspectacular 6000 yards as a Dolphin, and over 10,000 for his career. If you asked me, I would have never thought he did that much. Honor roll people should be off the top of your head, instant no brainers.
Posted by: Texas D-phin | February 08, 2012 at 10:51 AM
Romneymania
"The raw energy and enthusiasm Mitt Romney stirs inside people is like nothing I've ever seen," Youngstown, OH auto mechanic Chris Ritenour said Wednesday. "Everything he says resonates with Americans. His moving story of growing up privileged, his inspiring rise from moderate wealth to overwhelming riches, his thrilling work in the highest echelons of corporate finance—he really speaks to the heart and mind of the common man."
Even more tax cuts for the rich? Hell yes!
http://www.theonion.com/articles/romneymania-sweeps-america,27155/
Posted by: Pat Robertson | February 08, 2012 at 10:55 AM
The Dolphin Ring of Honor is reserved for the Elite Dolphins that ALWAYS gave it their ALL on the field at ALL times for their team and teammates...
Ricky Williams never stepped on a Football field, at any level, where he NEVER and ALWAYS gave it his ALL for his team and teammates... And produced at the highest level.
Ricky Williams is IN ...
Would like to see his Honor sign striped in Jamaican Red-Yellow-Green rather than Aqua though.
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http://www.shutterstock.com/pic-69757528/stock-vector-rasta-flag-with-marijuana-leaf-silhouette.html
Posted by: WillGT22 | February 08, 2012 at 11:59 AM
Bet you can't click these links and not watch EVERY second of them.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ROcseJIFJYE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qx3rZOBxWl8&feature=related
BAD BOY !!! 'nuff said.
Posted by: Jaaahhh Ricky | February 08, 2012 at 12:06 PM
Plain and simple... We Dolfans, in 2002, hadn't had a player to watch like this with the ball in his hands since Dan Marino ... And still haven't since.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BgcTyntrysA
Run Ricky Run
Posted by: Best Dolphin RB EVER ... Imagine Zonk blocking For Him ? | February 08, 2012 at 12:35 PM
mike1 - Csonka and Morris were specialty backs, neither one ever had a season like Ricky Williams' 2002 year, he's easily the best feature back the Dolphins have ever had.
The Onion is great, Romney is going to get eaten alive by Obama's campaign, they don't even have to spin anything like they did with McCain.
Posted by: I am Kazaam | February 08, 2012 at 12:39 PM
Ricky in '02 was an absolute beast. Almost 2,000 rushing yards that year with a poor offensive line, and Jay Fiedler at QB. The man was unstoppable when on. Perfect RB size, speed, and above all TOUGHNESS. Nobody could take a hit like Ricky. Maybe the Edge.
Posted by: I am stoned | February 08, 2012 at 12:53 PM
Hank 3 looks like an Elf
That story about the Grenades is wild, I actually live very,very close to that house, I sure am glad I didn't get into a fight with that dude.
I'm pretty sure "Los Marlins" will find a way to f*** up this Yoenis Cespedes deal, like maybe taking him to dinner at Carrabas or Joe's Stones crabs instead of "la Carreta", also, make sure David Sampson is not there.
Cote, if you are going to show a girl is bikini showing her behind, show a good one.
http://www.mayraveronicapics.com/images/mayra-veronica-beach.jpg
There..
Posted by: FZB | February 08, 2012 at 12:55 PM
Now if only the Dolphins can find one of these...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPzxkSyiruM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hk0E9wMr1sg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPgwhhLJmkE&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9R4T7mukapE
.
And not have a Coach like Wannstedt or Switzer run them into the ground.
Posted by: Best of the Best | February 08, 2012 at 01:01 PM
This is my new cuban girl friend ( Vida Guerra )
the problem is, she doesn't know it yet.
http://www.latinxmodels.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/vida-guerra-01.jpg
Posted by: FZB | February 08, 2012 at 01:03 PM
Mittens probably not a big fan of Ricky's (or of "La Carreta").
He thought his sign would be well received at an event with a few hundred mostly Hispanic supporters and a heavily Cuban flavor -- including a heap of lechón.
http://blogs.miaminewtimes.com/riptide/2012/02/mitt_romney_staffers_tossed_su.php
Posted by: Heriberto G. | February 08, 2012 at 01:15 PM
Plain and simple... We Dolfans, in 2002, hadn't had a player to watch like this with the ball in his hands since Dan Marino ... And still haven't since.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BgcTyntrysA
Run Ricky Run
Posted by: Best Dolphin RB EVER ... Imagine Zonk blocking For Him ? | February 08, 2012 at 12:35 PM
.
Peyton Manning ?
Posted by: Be nice for 2 years | February 08, 2012 at 01:20 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0SGrpSOgaR4&feature=related
A GREAT Football Player that happened to play Runningback.
Posted by: 16,300 Total Rushing Yards ... College-Pros ... That's Toting The Rock ! | February 08, 2012 at 01:38 PM
La jeva esa esta encendida mi socio!
Posted by: Mr. Woodcock | February 08, 2012 at 01:46 PM
"Plain and simple... We Dolfans, in 2002, hadn't had a player to watch like this with the ball in his hands since Dan Marino ... And still haven't since"
I will correct this:
"Plain and simple... We Dolfans, in 2002, hadn't had a player to watch like this with the ball in his hands since Dan Marino's early years ... And still haven't since"
Csonka #1 always. Carries 10 defenders with him. Where he runs, he doesn't need any stinkin holes.
Posted by: mike1 | February 08, 2012 at 01:58 PM
FZB, in this day and age, how do we know Vida Guerra's butt is real?
This is mine, Ewa Sonnet (yes, there are clothesless pics elsewhere) - natural
http://www.mademan.com/chickipedia/ewa-sonnet/photosgallery/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3uNfw-WfwQ
Posted by: mike1 | February 08, 2012 at 02:03 PM
I thought "trashiest" meant garbage cans everywhere. I guess it wasn't that bad after all. So just yesterday, Miami was rated in the top 10 places to date.
Manning? Be careful what you wish for. If he's going to stand in the pocket, afraid to get hit but can't move like Marino...that's all we're going to see. If he is not mentally afected by his neck injury, then you have to commend the guy.
Posted by: mike1 | February 08, 2012 at 02:06 PM
Greg,
How can you state so nonchalantly that Ricky Williams is not deserving of being in Canton?
Look, I'm as much a supporter of Larry Csonka as the next guy, but if you look at pure productivity, Ricky's numbers were comparable, if not better.
Csonka: 8081 yards, 11 years, 68 TD's
Williams: 10009 yards, 11 years, 66 TD's
while as Dolphins:
Csonka: 6737 yards, 53 TD's
Williams: 6436 yards, 48 TD's
Not to mention that Williams had 1431 passing yards to Csonka's 690, as Dolphins.
Those who believe that Ricky should not be in the Honor Roll are faulting him for his weirdness, not his game.
Posted by: OC Dolphin | February 08, 2012 at 03:03 PM
All righty then OC....
I like your argument but I highly doubt Ricky gets elected to the Honor Roll, I think the main reason he won't get in is because most Dolphin fans will remember he walk out on the team...
Ya man, smoke'em if you got'em
Posted by: FZB | February 08, 2012 at 03:23 PM
OC
there's nothing 'weird' about Ricky: Wanting to take some time off from Wantdtstetdt couldn't have been any more normal. He's a good guy! The best player here in ages! A big fan favorite!
Maybe the timing of his absence was just a little bit too off for the honor roll.
Posted by: Nik Shmenga | February 08, 2012 at 03:39 PM
Mike 1 that's all black beans and rice in there brother, all naturale!
Posted by: Mr. Woodcock | February 08, 2012 at 03:50 PM
OC, "There are lies, damn lies, and statistics." Ricky Williams is not a hall of famer.
Posted by: Mr. Woodcock | February 08, 2012 at 03:52 PM
Woodcock,
How quickly you forget. Take a second look at what "Jaaahhh Ricky" posted above. In my book Ricky was as good a Dolphin's rusher as Csonk. Perhaps better due his passing threat.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ROcseJIFJYE
Posted by: OC Dolphin | February 08, 2012 at 04:34 PM
Duke ,
check out this great blues tune...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=43yvS6bPZDs
Posted by: FZB | February 08, 2012 at 04:39 PM
Oye OC,
I get it, R Williams was a heck of a runner but he still left the Dolphins hanging high and dry just before the season started and the guy had a drug problem..
Its commendable he turned his life around and later on became a model citizens but the guy does not belong in there we our other great players...
wishing him the best though...
Posted by: FZB | February 08, 2012 at 04:59 PM
The guy couldn't carry Csonka's jock out to the field.
Posted by: Mr. Woodcock | February 08, 2012 at 05:18 PM
FZB, frankly, I could care less how an individual looks, acts, or even if he is borderline crazy. Look, I hang around with Woodcock, don't I?!!!!!
Posted by: OC Dolphin | February 08, 2012 at 05:18 PM
Good point OC
Posted by: FZB | February 08, 2012 at 05:42 PM
Oye se van pal carajo, I'm a damn good looking man!
Posted by: Mr. Woodcock | February 08, 2012 at 06:24 PM
OC - check the RBs in the HOF, Ricky doesn't have half the numbers he needs.
Good old Larry was a much better and more dominant player than Ricky Williams in their respective times, but there's no question who the better running back is.
Stanfill, Heinz, and Fernandez would be average sized linebackers today, Csonka wouldn't be carrying Vince Wilfork anywhere, nevermind 9 more modern sized defenders. Ricky Williams' skills pay the bills in any era.
Posted by: I am Kazaam | February 08, 2012 at 06:43 PM
Dolphins are switching to 4-3, so long $olia.
If they pay Langford he and Starks will start at DT with Odrick at DE. Merling and McDaniels aren't enough at the other end spot.
Always hard to find pass rushers in free agency - Calais Campbell and Cliff Avril are both supposed to be franchise tagged.
If the Dolphins are too chickensh*t to gamble on a quarterback in the first round they should at least try to hinder everyone else with a pass rusher.
Better yet, if they find two ends they could let Langford go and move Odrick to the middle, where he and Starks would be above average pass rushers from the tackle spots.
Posted by: I am Kazaam | February 08, 2012 at 07:06 PM
There are 600 projected free agents this year. There is a bonanza of players available. Almost every single team will look completely different than last year.
Posted by: Mr. Woodcock | February 08, 2012 at 07:14 PM
Kaz,
Let's see if the first shoe drops. If Manning bolts and becomes a Dolphin, that 1st rounder will most likely be Riley Reiff. Given that scenario, the team will do whatever it can to protect Payton's fragile neck.
Posted by: OC Dolphin | February 08, 2012 at 07:19 PM
Why not Get Flynn, Manning & Brees all at once? duh! We'd win for sure.
Posted by: Little Crippled Billy | February 08, 2012 at 08:03 PM
Kazaam,
The Dolphins should have the "cojones" to draft R Tannehill with our first, if not, why not re-sign Solia and draft Q Couples with our first.
our D-line would be very good
LE-C Wake
LT-Solia
RT-Starks
RE-Odrick
Couples to spell our starters and rush the passer..
You guys are getting too carried away with this Manning thing,my 87 year old Mom can throw it farther than Manning right now , odds are not very good for a full recovery...The guy is done.
Let's keep Moore and draft a young guy for the future.
Posted by: FZB | February 08, 2012 at 08:29 PM
FZB - Couples sounds good, didn't realize he was a senior.
Dolphins only let up one run longer than 25 yds, it went for 34. But look at the results, if they want to beat the Patriots they need to trade the steller run defense for a pass rush.
Soliai could cost $10 million a year, 8.5% of the cap. 4-3 favors versatile linemen, Odrick and Starks fit, Soliai and Langford not so much.
Wake is an outside linebacker, but that line with Couples starting would be great. Don't think the Dolphins can pay close to a tenth their cap for a fat samoan (i.e. elite) nose tackle to play out of position.
Posted by: I am Kazaam | February 08, 2012 at 08:54 PM
Watched a whole games worth of Tannehill (Northwestern), didn't see a single 'NFL throw'. Still, I'd be thrilled if the Dolphins picked him, he can run and he can throw on the run. Every other throw he made at A&M was a WR screen, he and Brandon Marshall could make a sweet YAC together.
Posted by: I am Kazaam | February 08, 2012 at 09:03 PM
FZB, John Lee Hooker & Santana put me in pleasant hypnotic state. I feel like I've been sitting at a bar after a few beers. There must have been subliminals as part of soundtrack evoking the feeling of being "chilled out" or "above the legal limit." Man, John Lee Hooker. He has to be on the other side of 100yrs old. He's like someone I envision as a contemporary of Robert Johnson and Blind Melon Chitlin...
Posted by: duke | February 08, 2012 at 10:09 PM
This is what separates the Zonks from the Rickeys
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SF0RaXR4nI&feature=related
Posted by: duke | February 08, 2012 at 10:16 PM
and Rickys.
Posted by: duke | February 08, 2012 at 10:26 PM
I'm stupid, just ask any of my 3 wives....which makes me stupid for marrying 3 times. That being established, I can't but imagine Marino having Czonka and Ricky.....,Duper and Clayton....that team would have won a SB or 2 or 3!
Posted by: redsky | February 08, 2012 at 10:28 PM
This is what separated the Ricky from the Zonk.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNgMK6BfA6M
Posted by: I am Kazaam | February 08, 2012 at 10:57 PM
LOL How true Kazaam...
Posted by: r. duke | February 09, 2012 at 12:51 AM
duke, I feel you slowly, not so subtly, accepting, transforming into a Giant fan. Much like Kazaan's fallback into Ravens, a secure option which allows a level of sanity, given the many years of Dolphins disappointments.
Thanks again, Ricky. Beyond the many dissers, you were one of our top ten Dolphins! Good luck going forward.
Posted by: OC Dolphin | February 09, 2012 at 01:59 AM
OC you need some decaff, dude, he's not even in the top 25. A total disappointment, waste of talent.
Posted by: Mr. Woodcock | February 09, 2012 at 02:03 AM
Marino, Csonka, Warfield, Taylor, Little, Griese....hmm... wait, we can't say Ricky yet...aahhh, yeah, that's right - Chambers, Cox, come on man, anyone but Rasta... Sure, Swift, Offerdahl, but not that pothead, for Duhe's sake!!!
Oh, oh, oh, wait! There's Curtis johnson!
RICKY WILLIAMS - A TOP 10 DOLPHIN - REGARDLESS OF WHO RECOGNIZES YOU OR NOT. THANKS!!!
Posted by: OC Dolphin | February 09, 2012 at 02:12 AM
Sure, Woody.
I defy you to list 10 Dolphins more worthy of #34. Go ahead. Put your puny mind to it. List 10 guys who did more for Miami.
Nalga.
Posted by: OC Dolphin | February 09, 2012 at 02:22 AM
Can ANYONE place 10 names who represent the very "BEST" Dolphins' players of all time, and NOT have Ricky on it?????
Go ahead, make your case!!!
Go ahead Woody, where would you put Williams? In the just another player category?!
Give my his placement, according to you!
Posted by: OC Dolphin | February 09, 2012 at 02:33 AM
Here are my top 10 all-time Dolphins:
1. Marino
2. Taylor
3. Csonka
4. Kuechenberrg
5. Clayton
6. Williams
7. Thomas
8. Webb
9. Moore
10. Bowens
Posted by: OC Dolphin | February 09, 2012 at 03:36 AM
Hey, I see Cote is on facebook, just friended yesterday, if your'e on it good way for us all to hook up.
Posted by: Shark74 | February 09, 2012 at 05:32 AM
OC, the Fins always come first. But yes I feel a certain indebtedness to the Giants for having beaten the Broncos, Bills and now Patriots twice. One of those SBs a Perfect Season saving win for the Fins. I like that they kicked Tiki Barbar to curb preventing the prick from getting his ring, the CPO Sharkey lookin' mutherf***er. And last but not least they help me remeber how much fun winning actually is.
Posted by: r. duke | February 09, 2012 at 08:13 AM
remember.
Posted by: r. duke | February 09, 2012 at 08:14 AM
Yes!Ricky is the best thing the Dolphins had in a long time...Ricky could have made the NFL Hall of Fame if the Dolphins would have added a quailty QB and WRs, the load can get tough for one man...Ask Barry Sanders.
Posted by: Coach X | February 09, 2012 at 08:18 AM
I guess I owe a more perverse form of indebtedness to Pats as the thrill of watching them get beat in the biggest of games does not get old for this Dolphin fan.
Posted by: r. duke | February 09, 2012 at 08:22 AM
I am one who believe that Duper and Clayton should get the same love that Marino gets...No Mark brothers, No Marino. Yea, I said it.
Posted by: Coach X | February 09, 2012 at 08:30 AM
Ricky deserves to be honored by the Miami Dolphins more than Jason The Jet. Disgraceful that we allowed Jason The Jet back, and then honored him: Rex Ryan's dirty little move. Jason Taylor becoming a New York Jet was one of the most painful histories as a Miami Dolphin, and then letting him back and honoring him made me feel used as a fan.
Posted by: George | February 09, 2012 at 08:41 AM
mIKE1- tHANKS FOR THE UPDATE ON THAT ALL IMPORTANT AFRICAN NATIONS CUP. GO SLOW MY BEATING HEART.
Posted by: Naples Jack | February 09, 2012 at 08:53 AM
No way, no how. I'm starting to think that those who post on here are about 20 years old and choose to forget the loathing we all felt for Ricky when he up and quit. 99.9% of the folks who posted here wanted to burn him in effigy. Someone here posted a youtube clip of Ricky's 2002 season. He looked great, but did you see the holes he was running through? Huge. An average back would have run for 1500 yards that year. Ricky was good, but elite? Nah. Definitely not worth two first round picks and definitely a no from me for the Ring of Honor.
Posted by: Ferg | February 09, 2012 at 08:54 AM
He wasn't even better than Doug Swift and Swift wasn't a starter.
Posted by: Mr. Woodcock | February 09, 2012 at 10:39 AM
See OC, this is why you're an idiot. You didn't even include Paul Warfield in your top 10 list. The emperor has no clothes.
Posted by: Mr. Woodcock | February 09, 2012 at 10:54 AM
ESPN and others reporting WAC & C-USA meeting to create a combined conference and that FIU will receive invitation to join conference shortly thereafter. Al Golden's previous program, Temple, is set to join the new conference as well.
C-USA is obviously no SEC, but a significant jump towards respectability compared to Sunbelt.
PANTHERS ON THE RISE!
Posted by: Quijote | February 09, 2012 at 11:19 AM
OC, you forgot Dick Anderson, Jake Scott, Nick Bouniconti, Larry Little and maybe even some field goal kickers.
Posted by: mike1 | February 09, 2012 at 11:20 AM
and where the hell is Griese????
Posted by: mike1 | February 09, 2012 at 11:21 AM
ESPN and others don't mention FIU.
PANTHERS MAKE SH*T UP!
http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/7554045/conference-usa-board-discuss-possibility-merging-mountain-west-source-says
Posted by: I am Kazaam | February 09, 2012 at 11:25 AM
redksy,
The Giants just won the Super Bowl with the #32 (aka the worst) running game in the NFL.
http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/team/_/stat/rushing/seasontype/2
All around QB ability is what counts, not just some passing statistics because they throw all the time. Like maneuvering in the backfield, escaping sacks (I don't mean throwing the ball away or throwing pick 6's), running threat, ability to properly hand off the ball..without a stuttering, slow-motion telegraphed hand-off.
Posted by: mike1 | February 09, 2012 at 11:28 AM
I didn't forget any of those guys. Williams had more than twice the output to that of Paul Warfield. 3461 total yards within those five years as a Dolphin to Ricky's 7867 in seven years.
Posted by: OC Dolphin | February 09, 2012 at 11:33 AM
Kazaam, to go along with your smaller defenses today than yesterday, the offensive line was similarly smaller. It's all relative.
If you want to use modern day vs older day arguments, than realize that QBs have it 10 times easier than those back in the 60-70's and earlier. As you go back further, it was even worse. Football evolved from being a running game sport. Rules came later.
-passes had to be thrown from 5 yrs behind the line
-incompletions in the end zone were touchbacks for the other team
-until the 70's, receivers could be bumped all the way down field
-no spiking or throwing the ball away out of pocket
-no goalpost on the goal line to interfere with passes
-rough sacks were ok as long as not a late hit
--probably some more I left out
You can't compare eras.
Posted by: mike1 | February 09, 2012 at 11:36 AM
kazaam google it, its on several other articles... i found this one
http://articles.philly.com/2012-01-05/sports/30593403_1_temple-mountain-west-conference-usa-merger-invitations
Posted by: ghost of... | February 09, 2012 at 11:38 AM
OC,
There were 2 RB's in the backfield then at all times. The total yardage was split up more.
I'm not sure what the average per rush was, but that is probably more a factor than total yards.
Also have to consider style, legendary status, contribution to team achieving the Super Bowl. Zonk and Morris had two of the coolest, yet contrasting running styles I've ever seen.
They both skipped out on the team but Ricky's was much weirder. Csonka left with Kiick and Warfield to try the WFL because of a huge salary which Robbie was too cheap to even come close to matching .. he never did that again.
Posted by: mike1 | February 09, 2012 at 11:40 AM
You guys are always measuring greatness in statistics. It's a fator sometimes, but not all the time.
Posted by: mike1 | February 09, 2012 at 11:41 AM
OC thinks that Aerosmith is a better band than the Beatles because the Beatles were only around for 9 years.
Posted by: Mr. Woodcock | February 09, 2012 at 11:45 AM
that argument works both ways, as defending against a featured back is no longer a guessing game, thus making it harder, not easier for that one back to accrue yards. Not to mention durability issues.
Posted by: OC Dolphin | February 09, 2012 at 11:45 AM