The Daily Poll: On Cam Cameron and Lemon-Beck

     [You all did it. The vote count in our Cam-&-QB polls was at 2,610 by 9 a.m. Tuesday. That breaks our old blogpoll record of 2,530 votes on the Chris Chambers-trade poll. Keep 'em coming! Get grandma to vote. If you live in Hialeah, get a dead relative to vote. (Sorry, Hialeah. Cheap shot). So far support for Cam Cameron has been fairly solid considering the record, with slightly more than half supporting him or withholding judgement. The call for John Beck to start at QB is WAY beyond overwhelming. Are you kidding? I could run a poll asking if you hope the human race survives and it wouldn't get 97 percent].

     Taking the temperature of Dolfan Nation with a poll on the head coach and another on the quarterback situation:

Opinion Polls & Market Research

Opinion Polls & Market Research

     Elaboration invited, as always. Click on 'Comments' below.

     By the way, got to thinking. With the Dolphins 0-9, what have been the 10 worst seasons recorded by our Big Four pro teams? The answer:

1. Heat         1988-89    15-67     .183

2. Dolphins    1966         3-11      .214

3. Heat         1989-90    18-64     .220

4. Dolphins    1969         3-10-1   .231

5. Dolphins    2004         4-12      .250

6. Dolphins    1967         4-10      .286

7. Heat         1990-91    24-58     .293

8. Heat         2002-03    25-57     .305

9. Panthers*  2001-02    22-44     .333

9. Marlins     1998        54-108    .333

     *-Excluding Panthers tie games.

     The Dolphins would set the dubious all-time South Florida low by finishing winless or 1-15 (.063) or 2-14 (.125), but would narrowly avoid the ignominy by going 3-13 (.188).

Comments

[Scurrilous]

It's high time for a major change.

If the coach can't make one at QB, the owner should make on at the head coach position.

[Mark]

Scam Cammstedt is in way over his head. He makes Rich Kotite look competent. Forget that, he makes Rich Kotite look great. But I don't want him to be fired. Saban made Wannstedt look great. Cameron is making Saban look great. I'm scared to think who Huizenga would replace Cameron with. Larry Coker? Gerry Faust?

[Tony Romo]

Someone tell Cam that Derek Anderson and Tony Romo weren't thought to be ready, and look what game time chances have done. Lemon is clearly not the answer with fewer TD's thrown then run in. The offense has taken a step back under him. How can everyone but Cam see this?

[Bigdog]

Wow, so far 100% think Beack should start.

I wonder how many will actually vote for Lemon. He's a very good backup and I would love to have him here for the long haul, but it's time to put the rookie in.

In a way, Cam gave himself a way out. Now he can sell to the team that Beck may give the team the best chance to win.

But imagine had Lemon played excelent, the kind of heat Cam would be on now. That's why the decision to start Lamon was so boneheaded in that he had nothing to gain and everything to lose. If Lemon struglled, you just lost another week to develop Beck. If he played ok (which was the case), we don't win anyways and we still lost another week of development. Cam is LUCKY Lemon didn't light it up.

[GIGG]

THE DOLPHINS SUCK. IS DON STROCK AVAILABLE??

[Eugene Marchese Sr]

This is all to no value. I have E Mailed many times Cam Cameron is a looser but management does not want to do a thing. The Dolphins are doomed. Regardless what we send no one in listening. Ge it? We have continually lost by three points in the last few minuetes of each game because we can not defend in the pass protection and the oponents have gone down the field and kicked a field goal. We gave away are best players and deserve what we have. Good Job Management. A high scool coach and staff could do better.

[Noel]

I see 2.9% for Lemon. Cam must have voted.

[Flipper72]

It's unanamious....START BECK NOW CAM!!

If your reading this Cam, look at the poll. The fans have spoken. Beck is the guy!

You saw talent in him, so let's see what he has and let him loose.

[BOB E]

I vote for Lemon on the road & unveil Beck at home against the Jets. Road games are tough, especially in that neck of the woods.

[GENE]

The problem with Lemon is that he just looks one way and short.Does not survey the whole field.He throws a nice ball but he is not quick enough with reading everything..Time for Beck

[Peter]

Start the Kid, all games are tough road or home. We need to see & know what Beck is made of.....high draft pick coming up and the jury is out on Beck.

[Robert in CA]

The Lemon Song, by LeftCoastFinFan (as posted on the Phinsider)

Leo Lemon had a dream,
In his dream he ran a team.
Leo knew this could never be,
"Who'd take a chance on a Lemon like me?"

Cam Cam-Moron came along,
and knew that everyone must be wrong.
"I had a guy with real old legs,
but he got hit; now he's scrambled eggs.

So I'll go from Green to yellow, I think..
I'll get a guy who will dunk and dink.
Lots of good things are what I see,
when you play with the fruit from the Lemon tree."

Now Cam can't seem to win a game, but
he says that his Lemon's not to blame.
"I don't care if he can't hit Ginn, Leo gives
us the best chance to win.

I don't understand why you're yelling for Beck, I told you before he's already on deck.
When he'll play I really can't say, but I'll tell
you this, he's one play away!

Now all you fans can just kiss my @ss!
You're just looking at the half empty glass.
Winning a game is no big trick.
I am playing for the first draft pick!

You can't see the forest for the doggone trees...
Leo is my main Lemon squeeze!
He and I are together in bed;
Kinda like Fiedler and Dave Wannstedt.

If I play Beck and he doesn't pan out,
Uncle Wayne might begin to shout.
Losing with Lemon is safer for me, so
I'm hiding under the Lemon tree!"

**Props to Natalya for the nicknames. :)

[OC Dolphin]

Nice job Robert in CA!

[Jose]

Is it too early to start talking about the draft?

[OC Dolphin]

It's kinda funny to see all those little green dots all over the western hemisphere (click on Beck poll comment to see).

[Josh P]

You guys are all stupid. When Cam said he wants Lemon to start because he gives the team "the best chance to win," he means next year. By Lemon starting and losing games, we are now in first place for the 1st pick in the '08 draft. This will give us the best opportunity to win...NEXT YEAR. #1, #33, and most likely #58 overall draft picks will give us some serious young talent...dont F it up!

[fluflu]

Robert in ca you are an idiot. Dr. seus called and wants his book for three year olds back. Try the reading rainbow or something......This is for Dolphin fans not blank verse writing losers.
go fins!!!

[Flipper72]

Marino's first appearance was on the road against the Raiders in L.A. on Monday Night Football. Talk about being thrown to the wolves.

Yes, Philly is a tough place to play and the fans are right up there with the Jets and Pats Fans but the way I look at it is-
if Beck is good he'll shine either way!

Give him a shot...!! I think that Cam is scared that he'll get hurt and ruin his career but it's a chance we have to take.

[Flipper72]

I just read that Cam is 2-4-2 against the spread. I guess that's better than 0-9!!

[raoul duke]

From some of takes it would appear Cam is getting an awful lot of credit for an improved O-Line. Is it Cam or Houck that is biggest factor to any improvements in this area? I was under the impression Houck was the real O-Line guru and improvements would likely continue here with or without Cam. Oh yeah I would definitely like to at least get a look at Beck in few games we have left. I think we're way beyond concept of "who gives us the best chance to win" at this point.

[scott]

If Jacksonville, KC, Minesota, Chicago and Atlanta can figure out a way to win at least 1 game with the QB's they are playing and we can't with Lemon??? Time for a change at QB at least.

[HG]

Cameron keeps telling us that Lemon gives the Dolphins the best chance of winning. My question is...how would he know? He hasn't won!! Start Beck NOW!!! With this unfavorable decision making process....do we want him choosing players during free agency & the draft?

[Tom]

Out of 631 votes so far, 621 want Beck and 20 want Cleo. I want to know who the 20 idiots are who voted to keep starting Cleo Lemon. They must be Pats fans or alternatively it could be Cam and his friends and family which is just like a Pats fan in my book.

[KeArt]

I think the important thing which everyone is missing is that the Dolphins are not being ran by a General Manager who has any real experience in Football. Just because Randy Mueller played college ball doesn't make him renown as a GM. Let's seriously look into his history as a GM. Every team he has ever had Control over have losing records. Seattle until he was thrown out and New Orleans as well. He makes the majority of the decisions for the team. The Chris Chambers trade was not wise. In reality, Miami got nothing. The McMicheals decision was not wise, nor getting rid of several other players which they did over the off season. Cam is a fall guy. We - Miami fans - should ask one question, are the past four coaches records combine better than Don Shula's record. I don't think so. The Miami Dolphins has not been the same since Shula was forced out of the Organization. We need to get rid of Cam and Mueller and get a person who can run the entire organization and I think he might be a Sportscaster, by the name of Bill Cowher, But, I think if he or any other Coach who has the ability to do the job can come in and truely assemble a team around him to get the job done, Wayne should step aside and stop using the Organization as a amusement theme park for visitors and open the door for a Coach to come in with the experience who can get the job done. I think if the Dolphins refuse to rebuild the Organization over the Off season by getting rid of the older players who are overpaid and trading some of the ones who are no longer useful to the organization in order to get some youth, the fans should consider other alternatives. We should consider spending our money else where - and the don't think the Miami Airline Arena is the solution. Miami Sports are a Shameful embarrassment. What the sense in having the greatest players and no championships? Shaq brought a Championship and everyone else laid down. Dan Marino should have had a Championship and if not maybe he should get one as a Coach or GM. Wayne get out of the way and allow the people who knows Sports to run the team.

[Tom]

Marino was smart not to jump on the Titanic (my current name for the Miami Dolphins) when Wayne gave him a chance. Wayne wanted Marino to validate his decisions without having any real authority. Talk about being in a no win position. So kudos to Dan for telling Wayne - f*** y**!!!

Now the rest of us should add our f*** y** Wayne by staying home the remainder of the season or until he fires his twin knuckleheads, Cam and Mueller.

[Noel]

Tom,
Maybe Cam voted 20 times.

[TexPhin]

Hey KeyArt, your post is one of the most ridiculous things I've ever seen on a blog, how much thought could you have possibly put into your post?

I think maybe Wayne should fire Randy and hire you so that all of us dolphans can be mesmerized by all of the decisions you'll make for the franchise.

[KeArt]

I think the important thing which everyone is missing is that the Dolphins are not being ran by a General Manager who has any real experience in Football. Just because Randy Mueller played college ball doesn't make him renown as a GM. Let's seriously look into his history as a GM. Every team he has ever had Control over have losing records. Seattle until he was thrown out and New Orleans as well. He makes the majority of the decisions for the team. The Chris Chambers trade was not wise. In reality, Miami got nothing. The McMicheals decision was not wise, nor getting rid of several other players which they did over the off season. Cam is a fall guy. We - Miami fans - should ask one question, are the past four coaches records combine better than Don Shula's record. I don't think so. The Miami Dolphins has not been the same since Shula was forced out of the Organization. We need to get rid of Cam and Mueller and get a person who can run the entire organization and I think he might be a Sportscaster, by the name of Bill Cowher, But, I think if he or any other Coach who has the ability to do the job can come in and truely assemble a team around him to get the job done, Wayne should step aside and stop using the Organization as a amusement theme park for visitors and open the door for a Coach to come in with the experience who can get the job done. I think if the Dolphins refuse to rebuild the Organization over the Off season by getting rid of the older players who are overpaid and trading some of the ones who are no longer useful to the organization in order to get some youth, the fans should consider other alternatives. We should consider spending our money else where - and the don't think the Miami Airline Arena is the solution. Miami Sports are a Shameful embarrassment. What the sense in having the greatest players and no championships? Shaq brought a Championship and everyone else laid down. Dan Marino should have had a Championship and if not maybe he should get one as a Coach or GM. Wayne get out of the way and allow the people who knows Sports to run the team.

[KeArt]

I think the important thing which everyone is missing is that the Dolphins are not being ran by a General Manager who has any real experience in Football. Just because Randy Mueller played college ball doesn't make him renown as a GM. Let's seriously look into his history as a GM. Every team he has ever had Control over have losing records. Seattle until he was thrown out and New Orleans as well. He makes the majority of the decisions for the team. The Chris Chambers trade was not wise. In reality, Miami got nothing. The McMicheals decision was not wise, nor getting rid of several other players which they did over the off season. Cam is a fall guy. We - Miami fans - should ask one question, are the past four coaches records combine better than Don Shula's record. I don't think so. The Miami Dolphins has not been the same since Shula was forced out of the Organization. We need to get rid of Cam and Mueller and get a person who can run the entire organization and I think he might be a Sportscaster, by the name of Bill Cowher, But, I think if he or any other Coach who has the ability to do the job can come in and truely assemble a team around him to get the job done, Wayne should step aside and stop using the Organization as a amusement theme park for visitors and open the door for a Coach to come in with the experience who can get the job done. I think if the Dolphins refuse to rebuild the Organization over the Off season by getting rid of the older players who are overpaid and trading some of the ones who are no longer useful to the organization in order to get some youth, the fans should consider other alternatives. We should consider spending our money else where - and the don't think the Miami Airline Arena is the solution. Miami Sports are a Shameful embarrassment. What the sense in having the greatest players and no championships? Shaq brought a Championship and everyone else laid down. Dan Marino should have had a Championship and if not maybe he should get one as a Coach or GM. Wayne get out of the way and allow the people who knows Sports to run the team.

[Gonzo]

Coach Cam Cameron said he'll mull whether a change at quarterback might nudge Miami over the hump. Cleo Lemon fell to 0-5 as a starter Sunday, when he was sacked for a safety and threw for only 131 yards, raising anew the notion it's time for second-round draft pick John Beck to make his NFL debut.

With Miami reluctant to throw downfield, Lemon's longest completion went for only 21 yards, and fans chanted "We want Beck."

Cameron said he'll meet with the quarterbacks Tuesday to discuss who will start. Playing the next two games on the road won't be a factor in the decision, he said.

"We'll know by Wednesday what direction we're going," Cameron said.

[Flipper72]

It's about time...that's good news Gonzo!

[Winston Sanders]

If you think Cameron & Mueller are the ones to blame, you are absolutely idiotic. Acquiring draft picks is the only way to build a strong team, even though it will not necessarily produce results immediately. Most of their picks this year made it on the active roster, which is something we haven’t seen since the Shula era. Even Johnson never hit in the first round while he was here.

Cameron did inherit this situation from almost a decade of personnel blunders & drafting failures under Wannstadt, Speilman & Saban. The consequences finally hit the fan under his tenure. Neither he nor any of us expected all that bad history to catch up with the team, especially the defense, all at once. But it was bound to happen to this degree sooner or later.

Cameron & Mueller turned the offence, especially the line around in less than a year, & it will only get better. If you don't recall, the first year Cameron took over as OC in San Diego, they were 4 & 12. The next year they were 12 & 4 & in the playoffs. They acquired LT, & Philip Rivers during his tenure even though everyone else was crying for Eli Manning.

Cameron & Mueller know how to evaluate talent, especially at the QB position. Mueller took a losing Seattle & New Orleans franchise & turned them both around in one to two years after making drastic changes to both. Neither franchise had a winning history until Mueller came along. In both situations, in their first year every one was crying for their heads, questioning their draft picks & free agent trades & acquisitions, questioning their QB selections, etc. They both proved their short sighted & impatient critics wrong. If you want instant gratification, go to a fast food restaurant & clog up your arteries in the process.

In hind sight, Trent Green & Joey Porter were mistakes, & believing that the defense would continue to produce while not choosing to use the "rebuilding" word while thinking the Dolphins would have done better this year were mistakes. But they were not the type of mistakes you could pin on Cameron & Mueller. We all didn’t expect the defense to collapse like it did, but it did because of years of previous coaching & personnel failures, not those of Cameron & Mueller.

They are taking this team in the right direction, & they don't need a bunch of novices who don’t have a clue about what they are talking about playing arm-chair quarterback in the mean time. Don’t think QB experts who saw equal or greater upside in Beck over Quinn know less than you. They basically got a QB who is every bit as good as Quinn, if not better, & got one of the fastest guys in the league as a bonus. It’s too early to pull the trigger on Ginn or Beck, unless you are just a bunch of morons.

[Hank Goldberg]

Winston

Are you Cam's long lost retarded brother? You must be because only a complete imbecile would suggest Cam has the Dolphins on the right track. Does 0-9 and no hope of a win mean anything to you at all? Keep Cam and the best we can hope for next year is 3-13.

By the way, please don't let Wayne H know you're in town otherwise he'll want to hire you to be the asst head coach.

[horizon]

lemon is not a qb. he's an athlete. there's a difference.i don't think the guy is capable of throwing for over 150 yards. when he get's close to the goal line he can't find a reciever. he also stares down his first option the whole time. this guy can't read a defense. here we go again. we need a qb that can read a defense.

[G-Train]

Winston - I agree with the spirit of your comments, but don't kid yourself. Cam inherited a bad team and is making it worse. The offense has not been turned around. The offense's first half of game production has been aweful and the team gets behind. The opponent's defense goes soft, then the Phins move the ball. That's the secret of the turnaround you are seeing. If Beck is any good, he should be playing. It is painfully obvious that Lemon blows, and if Beck can't crack the line-up, then either he blows and/or Cam blows. My bet is Cam blows. Simply, Cam must go!

[Tom]

G-Train is right. Cam blows, we just don't know who. My bet is it's Wayne. How else can you explain Cam still being employed.

[Belichick, Mangini, Satan et al]

In Re Saturday's game: Yes Virginia, there is a Santa Claus!
In Re Sunday's game: He won't get here soon enough for Wayne, Cam, Mueller and company.

[Winston Sanders]

Hey Hank,

You are the retard. Sometimes the mob clamoring for a specific result or crying for someone's head is not always based on the right analysis.

The problem is personnel, or a deficiency thereof. Cameron & Mueller are making decisions for the future based on the fact that there is no hope for this year.

The trades were based upon recognizing greater need which could be addressed in the future elsewhere on the roster.

If you haven't figured out, offence is no longer the problem, so the departure of Chambers & McMichael can be underscored by additional cap room & a second round pick, both of which will be used to shore up where the real problem lies in the 08 Draft & free agency, which is the defense.

Last I checked, the offensive line is doing very good for the running game & fairly good for the passing game. The only problems at this point are the defense & the QB, & I'll guarantee you come next year, when it really matters, both will be addressed.

Cameron knows when to start rookie QBs, as was evidenced with both Breese & Rivers.

After next year is when at least semi-reasonable critics can start making more accurate judgments.

Poor previous drafts have depleted the talent pool for this year's team, & no matter how good a coach or GM, if you don't have the right personnel actually playing the game, you won't win.

It is because fools like you who want instant gratification & can't recognize anything more than on a surface level will be willing to burn some one at the preverbal stake before enough reasonable time is given to make the sufficient changes to correct previous mistakes under previous coaching regimes.

Remember Bilicheck with the Browns...loosing record throughout? People thought he was a lousy coach until he came into a more ideal situation with much better personnel & the need for less rebuilding in order to see more immediate positive results.

Fools like you over simplify situations like this by figuring that the current record is only a result of current trends rather than those of the past, or that because some one takes a more reasonable position in defense of an individual than your foolish one must make them a lackey for who they are standing up for.

Look at SD, who had a losing record both before & until the second year of Cameron's arrival, & Mueller’s @ NO & Seattle. He turned them both around & they have been winning franchises for the most part ever since, with the exception of NO underachieving this year, & not for a lack of talent. Someone’s earlier posting on the history of both men was inaccurate.

I highly doubt you are actually Hank Goldberg. Hank Goldberg would be at least a little more intelligent than you.

[Hank Goldberg]

Winston

This really is Hank and you're an idiot. But I sympathesize with your desire for the Dolphins to do well. That being said, I don't think I've ever read a post as stupid as your most recent post. And believe me, this blog is loaded with morons. I've just not read one quite as over the edge as yours. Let me point out a two of your less lucid comments:

"Cameron & Mueller are making decisions for the future based on the fact that there is no hope for this year."

Are you out of your mind? I guess signing Porter and Green were decisions for the future. And not playing Beck when the season is over is for the future. That's the problem with Cam and Mueller, they are not looking to the future. They're acting as if we still have hope this year ("Cleo gives us the best chance to win"). This is the major problem with these clowns. They never recognized, and still don't, that this team needs to rebuild and start getting the young players ready for next year.

"If you haven't figured out, offence is no longer the problem ..."

Another doozy. In case you haven't checked the latest stats for the league the Dolphins are ranked 19th in the league in offense so far this year with 316 yds per game. Last year they ranked 20th with 310 yds per game. Now that may look like improvement to you, but 6 yds per game over 9 games translates into a whopping addition of 54 total yards this season over last year. Sorry Winston, but lack of offense is still a major issue for this team. In fact, no offense cost us the game yesterday, and at Washington, and against Oakland and the Giants.

[WinstonSanders]

Hank,

It is obvious to me that before the season started Cam & Mueller believed that they were closer to a winning season than they actually are which is why they acquired Green & Porter. Things have obviously changed from a results standpoint & now they are convinced otherwise, so there is nothing inconsistent with my statement.

I do not agree with at least what they paid for Porter in light of his current production, which I addressed in my original post, but I understand the acquisition of Green as a short term mentor for Beck. That indicated to me that they were expecting to do better than they are, but worse than any delusion of a Super Bowl appearance. I don't think they thought Green could take them there, but rather that he was an ingredient upon which they could build for the future.

I believe that Cameron & Mueller are aware of much more with the regard to the current status of this team than they are letting on. My hunch is that they are convinced of the success of Beck next year, & are aware of what they have to do in order to address the needs which presented themselves during the slide to 0 & 9, which will be addressed primarily through next years draft & giving themselves more cap room.

They are sacrificing their reputation for the sake of the future of the team at this point, although I know you would disagree, & would not believe that any one is capable of doing such a thing in this day & age.

The offence HAS drastically improved on the personnel level, although it has not reflected itself statistically in the way of points or the passing game. There is more to it than that. The running game is averaging among the highest yards per carry in the league, & the line is giving the QB substantially more time to pass than last year. Lemon simply does not have the talent & field vision to utilize it effectively. Chatman, as I know you are aware, is a Cameron acquisition, & Brown’s production under Cameron’s supervision had increased dramatically before his injury.

I personally believe that starting Beck now gives the Dolphins the best chance to win based on his preseason & practice performance, but the season is already shot, so putting Beck in at such a time when they believe he will benefit on both a physical & psychological level is more important for the long term, or they can sabotage the future for the sake of the present, a problem they both realize has been the cause of the downfall of this team for too long, typified by past personnel decisions under previous coaching & GM regimes.

Cameron & Mueller's big mistake were not initially realizing that this was a re-building year, something none of us realized to this degree either & I think that includes you & me. But in the aftermath of their initial mistake, they are doing what is necessary for the future in the way of rebuilding. These results however, were going to unfold the way they have regardless of whether they recognized the situation for what it was or not.

I can only go by the history of Cameron & Mueller’s success in NO, SD & Seattle, & think it is too premature to blame them for the present condition of this team until at least another year is given to see the results of any adjustments in the way of personnel acquisitions during next year's off season. They now have plenty of draft picks & cap room, & chances are by season’s end they will most likely have more.

Both of these gentlemen have a history of drastically turning bad franchises around over the period of one pivotal off season, & my hunch is that they will pick up the necessary pieces in the draft & free agency to surprise a lot of people & turn things around much more quickly than many analysts would think possible. That is why they are making a mad dash for draft picks & cap space. They are trading a degree of instant gratification for a potential future dynasty in the way of players.

There is no guarantee for any of this, but their method is the only way it can be done given the current state of the team. It is the same method Jimmy Johnson used, with the exception that they might have more success in the first round…….two kick-off returns for touchdowns called back by penalties for Mr. Ginn. Nobody expected that so soon, & it wasn’t his fault they were called back.

They have too solid a history to cause me to believe that they are as incompetent as many people think.

[Hank Goldberg]

Winston

You sound like a really nice and reasonably informed young man. Congratutlations on remaining loyal to the Dolphins. It is hard to be a Dolphins fan right now. As to whether Cam and Randy are the right fit for this team, I'm sorry I do not agree. Randy does not have a history of drafting successfully and Cam does not have a record of success as a head coach. I truly fear that the Dolphins are headed toward being the Arizona Cardinals of the east coast. That is, perennial losers unless something is done fast to bring in new, exciting and more importantly effective leadership.

Keep on rooting for those Dolphins. Sooner or later it has to get better because we know it can't get any worse than it is right now. And though I do not agree with your analysis, I do hope, like you, that the Dolphins can get back on track and back to the playoffs.

[Winston Sanders]

Thanks Hank.

I understand the frustration, as I am in the same boat with you, hope for the future or not. The present is definitaly not where we want it to be. It would be great to know that we have at least a shot every year.

I have decided to give the staff the benefit of the doubt until after next season, & I'll keep my fingers crossed in the mean time.

At this point, it is just amazing that we all were so disappointed with Shula for his last 9 & 7 record. As he said in one of his recent comments, "Now we know better."

[paul]

It seems no one really understands the building process of a football team. The Dolphins in the last 7 years have only 3 or 4 people, if that, from the entire drafts. That is AWFUL. By now they should have had 10 players in their prime playing at positions and helping us win. We gave up 5 draft picks for bandaid quarterbacks, TERRIBLE. How in the football world can you all blame Cam. What has he done wrong. He drafted 10 players. Keeping your players from the draft wins eventually. Most of you people want to make gold out of chicken crap. That cannot be done. Be patient. We have to give him at least 2 more drafts and then a year to see if they mesh. Jimmy and Wanny and Saban did such an awful job with the draft, and trading a 2nd pick for feeley, and 2 number ones for the Ganga idiot williams, who has done not a thing for us lately. Look, if cam says green is his QB next year then we revolt. But come on, we have to be fair to the guy, through the draft we become good again. It will happen. Yes, losing sucks, but we have to do this right, thru the draft and maybe a free agent here and there. I hate being 0 and 9 just like everyone else, but firing the coach now is idiotic. And the ones screaming should try coaching and maybe you know something the dolphins brass does not. If Detroit is 6 and 3 then there is hope, but thru the next couple of drafts, and no more trading draft picks for junk or for anything. Patience is a virtue so someone said, and it does pay off eventually, unless you know u r not going to live until next year. I do agree, it is time for Beck. If he is not ready by now, then y is he not ready? Ok nuf said

[Belichick, Mangini, Satan et al]

Patience. I wasn't good the 1st time around. ManGenius in NY (that prodigal son) isn't looking as good as last year, and even my great disciple Romeo with the Browns has had his moments of doubt. So just be patient, the game plan looks good, even though it had to be changed due to injuries and one lousy investment (porter).
Now, let me help you. I'll send you not 1, but 2! SEVENTH ROUND PICKS! for that Chatman guy, heck, I'll even throw in a couple of cases of Little Debbie cakes I stole from Satan.

[Tom]

WAYNE H: Paul, who is the worst head coach and general manager in the NFL?

PAUL: Well, logically speaking, that would be hard to say, sir. They're each outstanding in their own way and I hardly have the evidence to render an opinion.

WAYNE H: Cut the horseshit, son. I've got their personnel moves, draft picks and game stats right here. Who drafted a punt returner when we needed OL or DL? Who signed an overage QB and gave up a 4th round draft pick? Who gave away $20 million of my bucks for a LB we didn't need? Every spring, the draft picks are wasted and every fall they lose like dogs.

PAUL: You're talking about CAm_Mueller, sir.

WAYNE H: Of course I'm talking about Cam_Mueller, you TWERP!

WAYNE H: The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me. I'm ordering an internal analysis.

*** The analysis is now done and Wayne H calls the walking dead to his office ******

WAYNE H: Mr. Capers, you are coaching the worst defense in the league. Numerous missed tackeles, 7.5 yards per rush, and the highest points against average in the league. Congratulations, Capers, you're at the top of the Dolphins coaching staff. Mr. Mueller?

RANDY M: Hello!

WAYNE H: Zero competent decisions... Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life, Randy. Mr. Weidmeier, president of the Miami Dolphins? One decision right out of 4. A fine example you set! Keith Armstrong, special teams coach ... HAS never made a right decision. Mr. Cam - MR. CAMERON... 0 and 9 ZERO POINT ZERO winning percentage.

CAM: We were really hoping that by the midterm internal analysis we could work on that winning percentage by failing fast forward to watch the sun come up. I guess we failed forward too fast and never saw the sun.

WAYNE H: What? Damn you're stupid. You're out! Finished with the Dolphins! Fired! I want you off this facility - by 9:00 Monday morning! And l'm sure you'll be happy to know that I have notified every other NFL owner of your availability, like anyone is going to be calling.

[Cam_Mueller begins to quiver and choke] Well? [Cam_Muellerr chokes some more] Well, out with it!! [vomiting sound]

WAYNE H: I hate those guys.

[Tom]

Belichick, Mangini, Satan et al I'm laughing my ass off at your proposed trade, but praying Cam is not reading this blog for fear he might take that trade.

[Belichick, Mangini, Satan et al]

Hey Tom, if pushed for more, I'll kick in a tape of a Jets game's defensive signals (but in all honesty, we didn't get the full game, don't exactly recall why)

[W NY Fin Fan]

Hey Paul

two more years for Cam are you NUTS!!!

Look at it this way, who is going the be the QB for game 1 next season?

Green? nope he's done.
Lemon? maybe if Cam is still around but that would be the start of another ruined season.
The Top pick in the draft? possible but then why did you draft Beck this year at 26 years old. because you wanted a career back up QB with your 2nd pick in the draft?

So how many games do you have to get Beck ready for Game 1. Well, right now we have seven, and Cam blew a chance Sunday to get Beck in a easy game. (lets face it, buffalo sitting in a double deep zone giving up the under stuff, is a soft way to easy a rookie in at home)But Cam says Beck isn't ready yet for him because he wants to win a game first. So each game that goes by we retard Beck's game 1 experience.

So if Beck doesn't get in for 3 more games, say the Jets at home, would anyone go into game 1 next season with Beck having been the starter for only 5 games and feel that it could be anything but another lost season. NOPE.

So what would the fins have to do, yup get another washed up QB to be caretaker for 1/2 the impending washed out 2008 season.
Mcnair? Carr? Harrington (oh wait we tried him?) Vinny? oh, maybe Trent will come back and save us...Or how about trading the top pick for McNabb??? Cough, Cough.

So Cam's virtuosic patience will not only ruin next seasons draft but is ruining next season too.

So if Cam doesn't declare Beck the starter this week, Wayne should fire him wednesday at practice and find someone who will start Beck so whomever is making the decisions at next years draft can have a handle on where the current QB situation stands and finally allow the team to move forward and get out of this endless rut of caretaker QB's.

[OC Dolphin]

How do you spell tank? L-e-m-o-n, right? Check this out..... with over 2000 people registering a vote of "no confidence" on Cleo, how do you think he will respond this coming Sunday at Phili? Let us guess. He will be highlighted as the top performer for the day as he throws for for 400 yards and 4 TD's.

or:

He will have 3 pics, 3 sacks, and 3 total yards.

How he responds should tell all a hell of a lot more than this poll.

No hard feelings dude. Hope you have the game of your life Cleo.

[Sherman]

I think perhaps Wayne should of given Jim Bates the nod to have the head coaching job instead of going after Saban. The players really liked him and they won when Wanny left. WAYNE is the problem. He hasnt made one good hire that I know of.