David Carr for Ricky Williams?

      Growing speculation out of Houston has the No. 1-drafting Texans bowing to local pressure and selecting Longhorns quarterback Vince Young.

     Part 2 of that rumor -- and it is only that at this point -- is that suddenly expendable QB David Carr might then be traded to the Dolphins for running back Ricky Williams and a third-round draft pick. (Houston would benefit from a complement to a just-pretty-good Domanick Davis).

     I'd make the deal. Carr, 26, has been stuck in a dinky offense behind a terrible line that has made him the NFL's most sacked QB. We haven't seen his potential realized; we only know he has a bunch. He is pretty accurate (60.5% last season) and nimble (308 yards scrambling in '05). He could be a QB Miami could invest its future in. At the very least, he would be a clear upgrade over Gus Frerotte and permit Miami to address other needs in the draft.

     Would you make the trade?

Comments

[jake]

trade him right now

[andy]

go back to singing

[frankie]

i think it would benefit both parties. id say yes.

[Peter]

No way. Dumbest move ever. Trade McMichael and a third pick.

[nick]

I would make the trade, but only if it were staright up. Ricky for Carr. i strongly disagree with givinig up another draft pick. I mean Ricky has proven himself to be a stud back, what has Carr proven, that he has a lot of potential. I have the potential to be the president of the United States of America. But what does that prove to the people of this country..Exactly

[Mannie]

Me Myself I would Hate to see Ricky Williams Leave but like someone said before If its a straight up pick sure. No Draft pics just player for player. Unlike someone else said you dont trade McMichael, whats wrong with you.But Yes Carr you could tell if he has time to throw he will be a very special QB..

[FREDDY]

i first would like to start off with some pleasantries! i've been reading what you've been writing for years and feel we've been lucky in miami to have to great yet weird characters such as you and lebatard/wanstache for many years. as far as the trade i love ricky but you have to GIVE TO RECIEVE I would love that trade.

[Dale]

Ricky Williams quit the NFL to smoke marijuana, so he is a loser. Someday, he might lead the league in rushing yards and be the MVP and win a championship for his team, but, he'll still be a loser. Because he quit the NFL, to smoke weed.

[Ricky]

Dude . . . . I donno, man . . . . what??

[Norm]

Sounds like a good even trade to me. I'm still healing from the early retirement last year abd mediocre performance this year to get back on the Ricky Bandwagon. As far as Trading Randy McMichael, we haven't had a receiver as prolific as him since the days of Nat Moore and Duriel Harris. McMichael stays for life!

[arss]

Why should we make the trade? Do we have the offensive line to protect David Carr?

[DAVID AVILA]

AS A TRUE DOLFAN I WOULD NOT MAKE THIS TRADE. WE FINISHED THE YEAR STRONG BEHIND GUS. HE WILL EVEN BE BETTER NEXT YEAR KNOWING THE OFFENSE AND HAVING THE THE CONFIDENCE OF HIS TEAM PLUS HE HAS ONE OF THE BEST ARMS IN THE NFL. RICKY IS A GREAT SOLID BACK ALL GREAT TEAMS HAVE A ONE TWO PUNCH AT RUNNING BACK I WOULD NOT TRADE HIM ESPECIALLY AT THE BARGAIN PRICE WE HAVE HIM FOR. AT LEAST WE KNOW THAT RICKY CAN PRODUCE, DAVID CARR HAS NOT PROVEN ANYTHING HE WOULD BE A DOWN GRADE FOR THE PHINS. AS FOR THE LOSER WHO SAID RICKY HAD A BAD YEAR LAST YEAR HE MISSED THE FIRST FIVE GAMES HARDLY HAD ANY CARRIES IN GAMES 6,7 AND 8 AND STILL MANAGED TO GAIN 700 YARDS RUSHING AND GET THIS HE WAS A BACK UP. NO TRADE KEEP RICKY AND DRAFT A QUARTERBACK.

[Duane Sinquefield]

Do the trade asap. I would not consider the 3rd. round pick though. Do it straight up

[Esteban]

I think the Texans would be dumb to do it. But that's me. I don't give up a young franchise qb for a one puff from suspension RB with as many carries on his body as Williams. But from past free agent signings and draft picks the Texans might actually be dumb enough to do it so if I'm the dolphins I'm quick to make the trade before they wise up. Our OL is way better than the Texans - more a comment on how bad they are.

[Penny]

Dale, Ricky didn't quit the NFL to smoke weed...get a grip...trading him would be a BIG mistake...the man had the guts to come back and face us (his fans) and his talent can't be beat...Frerotte is OK, but Carr would be an upgrade...

[Sean]

I love David Carr, but 2 great backs is hard to get. Our line is questionable, but improving. I wouldn't do it. We should focus on Cutler in the draft, maybe Hutchinson from the Seahawks and getting TO!!!!!

[Esteban]

Back up RB for Starting Young Franchise QB?

really not that hard a decision. We can still focus on other things, this just takes one weakness away.

[Chris Boswell]

personally, i'm screwed either way because i have both dom davis and ronnie brown at RB. of course I have ricky. either way, two guys will split carries and thus void those 2 guy from hitting my lineup. trade him somewhere else so i can have 3 backs + tatum!!

and david carr, no arm. i don't care what they say. and that 60% completion rate comes from dinking it off to dom davis all the time.

[t-mac]

KEEP RICKY WILLIAMS. gET A QUARTERBACK THROUGH FREE AGENCY. WHY NOT TRY TO HAVE RICKY AND RONNIE BROWN AND ADD A QUARTERBACK.

[Ed Lopez]

Miami needs to invest in the new breed of QB!! Period. There are plenty of good QB's coming out of this draft this year. Having the 16th pick is a good spot to have. Miami had proven success with the 1-2 punch of Brown and Williams. Two differant style runner's that deffenses have to worry about. As Dofans we must learn to be patient. We have a coach that has brought us a to four straight wins in December. No one expected that in his first year!! !6th pick will pay off. No trades!!

[DC]

Are you NUTS?

I grew up in Miami and am a lifelong Fin fan. I live in Houston now and my wife and I are Texans season ticket holders - - yes, Virginia, we pay to watch bad football.

I was at a game where Carr threw the same out pattern - two times in a row. Never mind the Texans were already down by 20+ points. The first pass planted itself like a flower; the second time to the well, the corner sat on the route and ran it back for a TD to end the half.

The Texan fans would LOVE Miami to make this trade - - please please please do it.

Cheers - DC

[Mafito]

No way. Ricky proved this year he is just as good as he was before he retired. He had a solid season considering he missed the first 4 games and still proved his worth with crucial plays at crucial times. Back to back hundred yard games was also very nice to see. I'd rather trade ronnie brown for david carr. Ronnie has potential but he is also fumble prone. The key play that he had this year that sticks out in my mind was the game against new england driving for the win, catches the ball out of the backfield has the first down and instead of going down with the tackle looks to gain extra yards, diving over the top exposing the ball to the hit. That loss i feel cost us the playoffs and a probable run at the super bowl.

[brian oakes]

Trade him. Too much baggage, too many uncertanties. Great runner, not dependable. Going to spend a month in India doing Yoga. Great if your a University Professor or Field Worker.

[Dan Kosage]

Definitely keep Ricky... He costs almost nothing, and although I really like Brown he's only had a couple 100 yrd games and we really don't know how he'll hold up yet, so the pluses and cap benefit seem to trump any trade options on the table so far. After next year we'll have a clearer picture & we'll either be glad we kept him or he could be worth a lot more after another year to show team GMs he's dedicated.

[Phinfan]

It might do Ricky good to get back to Texas with a fresh start in the state he starred as a college back. But what kind of impact will this have on the teams future salary cap? Why not pick up Omar Jacobs for a future project, and get some help in the secondary with the first round pick. Tim Couch will probably fit better with the long ball offense Linehan likes to employ.

[John]

Everyone that has said to keep ricky must have forgotten that he is playing for the vet minimum. He will do that for one more year just to prove he can still be a dominate back and be keep himself clean so he can get his big payday again. I say trade him while you can get something for him before he leaves and you get nothing.

[Felix Gonzalez]

In a heartbeat. We need a new young QB. Carr is get the tools and Saban can groom him into a premier QB for the FINS.

[brian oakes]

What about Ricki and the #1 pick for the Texas or usc QB? With Bush going 1 it's not impossible.

[Mark Hoffman]

No way I wouldn't trade. I would tradr Ronnie brown first I think Ricky is much better than Brown

[Mark Hoffman]

No way I wouldn't trade. I would trade Ronnie brown first I think Ricky is much better than Brown

[John K.]

Ricky Williams is the best running back the Dolphins have had in a long time. No NFL team has ever won a championship without a running back. Dan Marino was never able to win the Super Bowl. If Marino had Williams, the Dolphins would have won many championships.

[Trevor]

Forget Carr, think Schaub. The falcons would love a rb like Williams but a trade involving Chambers makes the most sense. The Falcons seek that wr that has alluded them and as brilliant as Chambers has been (at times) a top qb is far more important than a wr with no one to throw him the ball. Plus I would imagine the rate of success for 1st round wr is better than qbs. We know Schaub can throw, we know the Falcons want a #1 wr and Chambers is hot, lord knows he may not stay that way, and finally we can draft a wr in the 1st round.

[bryan]

i love ricky williams so much but we need a bigtime upgrade at the qb position.it's looking like we are going to miss out on the top 3 qb's young,leinart,cutler so if we can land david carr that would be an upgrade from gus.but i still like gus and i believe we can still win a superbowl with him leading this offense!but don't bet on it going down that's only if houston goes for vince young but if i were them i would be thinking of bush only.in the end look for the r&r express to keep rolling in 2006 and beyond.

[brian oakes]

Let's stop the Carr/Williams talk. Trent Dilfer won a SB. Dan didn't. QB is only as good as the OL,RB,and WR/TE. Trade down and get some OL,CB,LB studs. Imagine a line that can run block with Chambers&McMichael catching. Chan has done a good job at LB but we are aging. Trade down and fill the needs.

[howard]

sign Tim Couch, keep Gus, draft Vick late or as a free agent, and keep those draft picks and invigorate that defense with youth just like Jimmy did! 6 in row, let's keep in goin!!!!!!!

[David Gaines]

I watched Carr in person couple of years ago in Houston; he looked good taking New England to final minute of OT year they went 17-2. I'd be curious to hear true overview from any Texans fans, not just 2 bad plays; heck Marino had his bad plays.

He's had a lousy team and apparently not well coached. Was #1 pick in draft. 26 years old, perfect age, 4 years NFL starting experience.

Don't think he's Tim Couch, but don't know that I'd pay that price. Ricky is a proven talent at a good price. Carr is probably an upgrade over Gus. A tough call, could be huge upside, or a bust. Think maybe I'd bump up to a 2nd round, if we had to, keep Ricky, if that could get us Carr. Think that would be worth a shot. I trust Saban will make the right decision in any case.

[Joe Jackson]

Hell no, David Carr is a "Bust" period. It only takes two years to figure out if a QB can play or not(Example; Ben R, Eli M, Chris S, Byron L, Carson P...shall I go on??) Just, b/c you invested a #1 into a guy doesn't mean he can't suck, and Carr does. And, since we're talking bust, so is Kyle Boller!! Do the math....
Joe J

[Lawrence Barnes]

No, I don't make this trade. Carr isn't reliable and we can re-sign Ricky for the minimum. We should draft a Qb with the #1 and fill the holes with the rest of our picks. Not to mention we will sign a few playmaker free agents. 2006 we will be back in the playoffs!!!!!

[Elio]

I would NEVER do it , why? Well yeah Ricky has done some stupid stuff but what about if ronnie get's hurt ? Ricky did an excellent job this year. Ferrote will get better with the system that we have it was only his first year and he put up careers numbers, I really don't care about David Carr he haven't done anything special and I don't want to hear that the offensive line don't block for him, look at Troy Aikman numbers his first 3 seasons !!!!! Thank You, KEEP RICKY is worth it .

[David Gaines]

Hey Joe: John Elway, Terry Bradshaw, Jim Plunkett, I can go on as well. 2 years?

Check out these guys stats in 1st 2-4 years. Those guys all didn't really impress till several years in, and only when their whole team situations improved. The guys you mentioned are all currently on basically good teams, with basically quality coaching, 2 things Carr hasn't had.

Whether we trade for him or not, he should get a shot somewhere else, or with a new Coach in Houston, before people start saying he's for sure a bust. Its not like he's Couch, that 5 teams have shown the door.

[Steve]

No way would I make that trade. If I were the Dolphins I'd stay far away from Carr, Harrington and Ramsey.

David Carr has done absolutely nothing in his career so far to impress me. It's not like he's Jake Plummer, where even though his stats sucked and he was losing, at least he impressed people at times...

[caseyfunk]

It's a pipedream anyway dude. Carr, Reggie Bush and Andre Johnson not only put fans in the seats, it might be the next trio much like the Colts! But...if the Houston brass got drunk one night and offered it...i'd be all over it. Love Ricky, but RB's are much easier to find than top talent QB's...anyone who thinks Carr is a bust has not really watched him play. I'd trade either RB we have AND a 2nd round. The Schaub idea is good too...like him, and probably more realistic (just not for Chambers).

[howie]

this whole rumor is dumb why would u ever do that . ricky will be coming back to his second season and he will be ready and warmed up for a good season.David Car i believe is not gonna be a good quarterback. We got the 16th pick in the draft, Vince is in so that will leave Jay Cutler for the taking. I want a homgrown quaterback when was the last time the dolpphins drafted one in the first 3 rounds HELLO Dan Marino.

[David Gaines]

The view from Texas, today, from the town's top columnist, and, apparently, most of the league - hardly calling Carr a bust:

http://blogs.chron.com/sportsjustice/archives/2006/01/on_david_carr_v.html

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/lopez/texans/3584478.html

[Robert F.]

I'm against trading Ricky. He's proven plus why weaken the "Phins" backfield? Ronnie AND Ricky, come on, that's solid! The "Phins" need to draft a quarterback and leave Gus another year.

[Gabriel]

Keep ricky ronnie goes down you got a two of the best RBs and plus ricky would be a good 3rd down back Gus is fine start him for about one or two years and if we draft a young QB let Frerotte groom him let him get use to the offense (Jay Cutler)

[jake]

I am not sure we should trade Ricky and a pick for David Carr. It sounds like the Texans are going to keep him and draft Bush anyway. RBs are very important, but so is a QB. Gus did well this year, leave him there to play at least another year. Draft a QB. Cutler or Omar Jacobs, perhaps? Any talk on TO? Does anyone else besides me think that Saban could control his behavior?Maybe i am just wishful thinking, but he is a heck of a WR. Don't trade any picks away, look what we got the last time, AJ "I throw more TDs to the other team" Feely.

[dave s.]

that's brilliant!!! what kind of depth will the phins have if ronnie brown goes down?? carr is not a huge upgrade from frerotte!!! you think carr is the answer? just put him in there with travis minor as the feature back, and defenses will be all over carr and will force him to win games. mcnair,culpepper, pull the trigger, but hopefully ricky will be a phin in 2006!!!

[rockinkat]

Pfff if we make this trade we need to get Carr and a 2nd round pick to youth up the D. A straight up Carr for Ricky is an insult. Good luck to the Texans drafting a running QB, which equals IR in the NFL. Young can only take off running so many times before he takes an NFL lick from someone like Crowder to send him into next season. This isn't college ask Mike Vick.

[Jon]

I'd do it, absolutely. Remember Ricky was brought back mainly for trade bait, So why not use it to get a QB? Sammy Morris would be fine as a back up to Ronnie Brown, or you could draft one on the 2nd day. Brown has Star talent and we're never gonna see all of it with Ricky here. Carr could come in and play right now, unlike if you draft someone and they sit for a year, Then you can keep uncle Gus as the back up. In FA, You can focus on upgrading the secondary (Archeleta/Law),O-line(Center) #2 WR(T.o.? Moulds?) and in the draft grab a young Stud Safety(Michael Huff),Linebacker(Ernie Simms) or the best DT available. You can patch everything else, but you have to have a QB