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With the Miami Heat struggling, Phil Jackson didn't hesitate to chime in Tuesday, saying the Heat's big trio will eventually ask for Pat Riley to take over if this doesn't change soon.

Philjackson "The scenario that sits kind of behind the scene, is that eventually these guys that were recruited — Bosh and James — by Pat Riley and Micky Arison, the owner, are going to come in and say, ‘We feel you can do a better job coaching the team," Jackson told a Chicago-based radio station. "We came here on the hopes that this would work,’ and whatever, I don’t know. That’s kind of my take on it, is that eventually if things don’t straighten out here soon, it could be the Van Gundy thing all over again."

On the Heat's performance in general, Jackson added:  "That record, I think, says a lot about coming together with some real talented guys, and not having a base. And then some things happened to them, Wade getting hurt. They’re still kind of searching out how they’re going to find a role and work their roles together."

While there are plenty of Heat fans who feel the same way, particularly about the coaching scenario, it just doesn't seem like what these players will want.

If it takes Riley to come in and "save" the season, the three of them will look like failures from the very first season together. And it's not as if Riley, who probably doesn't even want to coach, will be around for the remainder of their time together in Miami.

The other part about that is, how different is Riley from Spoelstra? Can he reel in LeBron and Wade maybe a little better? Possibly, if that's necessary. Would he force the ball inside to Bosh a little more? Also possible. But time will eventually allow Spoelstra to figure this out as well. He's not Riley yet, obviously, but we saw what happened when Stan left. He has been great for the Magic since leaving Miami. And pushing Spoelstra out now would be premature. I think these players recognize that. Pretty sure they don't even believe they need much coaching anyway.

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phil jackson loves to get deep into teams heart. he loves crushing the chemistry of opposing teams!

wowo wow wow i certainly belive we need pat to coach and im pretty sure he could save the season. i also think that the players and the fans would most likely like him over the one we have coaching now. please the team needs help!

ISRAEL ARE YOU WORKING AS SPO'S PRESS AGENT OR A SPORTS WRITER.
Spo stinks!!
Look at the advancement in Beasley since leaving.
Spo doesn't have the back bone to coach superstars!
Spo has kissed Wade's butt the last few years, to keep Wade happy.
But Now: What can he do.

He has three superstars and he can't kiss all three butts!

Simple question:
What would the Miami heat's record, offense look like, if Phil Jackson was coaching the Heat from the start of training camp???

Riley is not Phil Jackson, but better than Spo.

Spo should be doing what Spo does best.
WATCH TEAM VIDEOS FOR SCOUTING REPORTS.

To compare Spo to Stan is wrong.

Stan coached in College.
And lead the Miami heat with Odom, Grant, Eddie Jones and a rookie Wade and young Caron Butler deep in the playoffs, when the Heat were being picked to finish out of the playoffs.

Stan tried to control Shaq and that is when Riley stepped in.

Spo has lead the heat where???
Spo is best trying to control a T.V. remote while watching a DVD scouting report.

Seriously I couldn't of said it any better.

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ISRAEL ARE YOU WORKING AS SPO'S PRESS AGENT OR A SPORTS WRITER.
Spo stinks!!
Look at the advancement in Beasley since leaving.
Spo doesn't have the back bone to coach superstars!
Spo has kissed Wade's butt the last few years, to keep Wade happy.
But Now: What can he do.

He has three superstars and he can't kiss all three butts!

Simple question:
What would the Miami heat's record, offense look like, if Phil Jackson was coaching the Heat from the start of training camp???

Riley is not Phil Jackson, but better than Spo.

Spo should be doing what Spo does best.
WATCH TEAM VIDEOS FOR SCOUTING REPORTS.

To compare Spo to Stan is wrong.

Stan coached in College.
And lead the Miami heat with Odom, Grant, Eddie Jones and a rookie Wade and young Caron Butler deep in the playoffs, when the Heat were being picked to finish out of the playoffs.

Stan tried to control Shaq and that is when Riley stepped in.

Spo has lead the heat where???
Spo is best trying to control a T.V. remote while watching a DVD scouting report.

Read more: http://blogs.herald.com/miami_heat/2010/11/phil-being-phil.html#ixzz169zdxXO4

IG = "The other part about that is, how different is Riley from Spoelstra? Can he reel in LeBron and Wade maybe a little better? Possibly, if that's necessary. Would he force the ball inside to Bosh a little more? Also possible. But time will eventually allow Spoelstra to figure this out as well."

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Good point re the difference or lack thereof between Spo & Riley.

But I don't get the point about "reeling in" James OR Wade since serial take-your-turn dribble-drive 1-on-5 isolations are EXACTLY what Heat players are left with once scripted sets break down.

Example.

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KA@Heat Index: Did you see the back screen Brandon Rush gave Tyler Hansbrough on Monday night that resulted in an unfettered dive to the basket and an uncontested look at the rim for Hansbrough? I think that's what drives people who are following the Heat so crazy. With limited talent and nothing more than sheer execution, the Pacers ran no fewer than six gorgeous sets that generated those kinds of buckets. Meanwhile, LeBron James, Dwyane Wade and Chris Bosh couldn't manufacture anything easy, despite having a collective skill set that dwarfs anything that was on the floor for Indiana.

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With one minor correction (re Arnovitz), the Pacers don't run sets per se.

O'Brien DOES run a motion offense -- as he did at Boston -- where offball players variously screen/cut/run in read-and-react mode to penetration by onball handlers or certain cues, lapses, seams revealed by opposing defenses.

Primary point: a team with as much talent as the Heat shouldn't have to relentlessly pound the rock or run iso-suicides against collapsing defenses to score points-in-the-paint *IF* Heat coaches AND players made better use of OFFBALL teammates.

This isn't a case of Wade, James or Bosh as divas unwilling to set screens.

They do and have screened & picked off opposing defenders throughout their careers.

What they haven't done with regularity is move or cut (towards or thru the paint) without the ball IN CONCERT with onball handlers attacking the rim UNLESS it's 2-man pick-and-roll.

Wade or James or Bosh *standing around* while each or the other takes turns pounding the rock does NOTHING to draw off defenders from onball handlers.

THAT's what drives fans and an endless parade of ex-players-turned-analysts CRAZY when they watch THESE Heat. The sheer, utter WASTE of talent on almost every halfcourt possession.

It'd be interesting to *count* the number of cuts or screens/picks by Miami's Big-3 during halfcourt possessions.

Hunch: LESS than Boston's B3, LESS than LA's B3, LESS than San Antonio's B3.

"Good point re the [philosophical and/or strategic] difference[s] or lack thereof between Spo & Riley."

silly statement by the writer.

the difference between riley and miami's present coach is 7 championships and a hall of fame. riley knows what he is doing throughout the entire game. spo is clueless. spo has won nothing, neither has stan van gundy. there is no comparison.

tk u should be the writer because you are absolutely correct cant put it any better, plus Pat is the ultimate motivator and he knows how to control all those egos, come on Bosh said that they wanted to chill out a little in practise, Pat riley never would allow that not even jokeing!!

Tonight against a lowly team the trio was not hot and the Heat lost!!! Why do you think the offence playbook so limited??? Because LBJ is at the POINT and he cant handle anything more complicated!!!. The Heat have become the Miami Cavaliers.
15 of 22 TO's made by the big 3. Stand still offense (Lebron cant handle anything more complicated) and horrible bench play again with Lebron leading them at the point

- Pat Riley is more creative offensively and defensively. He acts and reacts a lot quicker.

- Spo ... belongs in the video editing room analyzing plays ... days afterwards.

I really can not understand how Miami fans can be so one track minded in thier assessment of Spo.
Spo didn't shoot 1 for 13, Wade did. Spo doesn't make LeBron disappear in games the way he does. Spo does not make Bosh anymore feminine than he already is. These are seasoned stars who seem to have overly hyped thier success and thought the NBA would be a cake walk. Bosh has to stop chilling, LeBron's got to stop partying all the freakin time and Wade has to find his game. No coach is going to instill that into Miami Thrice.

Good piece by IG on 3 Kings though the win against PHO -- the worst defensive team in the league -- doesn't quite prove Miami's offense is adequate as-is or good enough against better defenses.

http://www.miamiherald.com/2010/11/23/1940484/miami-heat-tries-to-regroup-signs.html

The other Spoism that rings false:

"Offensively, the game is much easier for us when the ball is moving and we're making each other better ..."

Ball movement ALONE doesn't make the game "easier" or teammates "better."

Example.

It's almost comical to watch Heat players STANDING AROUND the perimeter hurrying swing & reverse passes like a game of hot-potato (i.e., "moving the ball") in a futile effort to catch defenders napping.

PLAYER movement WITHOUT the ball = MEANINGFUL "ball movement" when players moving TO THE RIM receive passes in stride WITH separation from defenders.

Yes Spo didn't shoot 1 for 13 or make lebron disappear and bosh soft blah blah blah etc...etc... What every fan is saying is that the Coach is the leader. He has to put the players in the best possible position to win the games. If he does not put the players in the best possible position to win the game then he is not doing his job and deserves to be Fired. I agree what everyone been saying and that is He has to have more creativity in this offense then what we are seeing. It seems like Cavalier Part II with Lebron. The offense seems stagnant and dependant on to many iso's. I understand that defense wins champions but if you cant generate a creative set to set up a basket to win a game then you can have all the defense in the world and can't get past scrub teams like the Pacers. One of my questions would be are the big three alergic to having an offense that is predicated on cuts, and motions rather then this ISO stagnant offense. Are they forcing this ISO offense on Coach spo and he cant implement a different offense. He does not seem to good also at using all of his bench players or making in game adjustments. His rhetoric seems to be that this is a process blah blah blah.. If he cant make the necessary changes to draw offensive plays then he either needs to delegate it to another assistant coach and work on defense or he should hire one.. I give him the Next 10games to see how he implements dampier into his game plan if he loses half of the next 10 games he'll be fired before the yr. is over..

Alonzo's defense rebounding and shot blocking along with Posey's toughness and movement without the ball were huge for the championship team thats what they are missing those type of players to compliment the stars.

James Jones and Z are not gonna replace Zo and Pose. Cavs are top 5 in rebounding every year since like 02 thats why they were good with LBJ. Put him on that 5-7 team now and they would be 9-3 at the least and right in the mix with LBJ being free to shoot at will.Rebound and defend that makes a champ.

Hmm...mabe Dan Gilbert was right.

You have to be kidding me Israel.

Phil is basically issuing a coaching challenge to Pat Riley!!!

It's only a matter of time...

Phil Jackson is a turd, and the media eats it up like Thanksgiving dinner. He has never ever said anything positive about anyone in the league other than his team, and this is certainly just a dig at Riley and the Heat. I would love to Richard Seymour his arrogant mouth, knocking him right off his lofty 'king' chair. He, along with the media, are openly hoping for the Heat to fail, they love every little setback. The media has hated any success a Riley team has had since he left the Showtime dynasty. Just as well, they suck up anything P-Jax spews. Pathetic!

Taheati, I enjoy your commentary, but will have to disagree with you on this point. Ball movement DOES make the game easier. It opens up the floor for drives, and creates open looks, if for no other reason than, you can pass the ball quicker than the defense can moves it's feet.

Look, I know that SPO was going to get ridiculed starting with the first loss. Riley, SPO, the players, everybody knew. But the difference between Van Gundy and SPO, and P-Jax won't say this because it concerns an ex-player of his, is SHAQ. He was the fly in the oinment, not Riley wanting to coach again, not SVG wanting to spend more time with his family...SHAQ being the Big Arrogant, the Big Non-Coachable, HE was the problem. I'm sure Phil knows this better than anyone.

SVG has his paddleboard out for tonight's spanking.

Has LeBron's "I'm taking names" list matched his twitter or Santa Claus list ?

Has Bosh figured out yet how to box out when attempting to rebound ? Something he never does.

Has Spo figured out one designed play to set someone up ?

Does anyone on this team have any balls to get physical enough to act like they give a crap ? Other than Maglorie, of course.

Didn't the Heat, with all of those ^^^ deficiencies, destroy the Magic in their Home Opener, I believe holding Howard scoreless in the second half?

Hey Greg - you may not like Phil...but bet you the Heat would NOT be 8-6 if he were the coach. Spo deserves getting doubted for this almost unwatchable, unexpected mess. You are right about the Big Fatty Shaq. The thing that gets to me about this team is the lack of effort and pride...especially after all the summer hype.

Now, a big problem is this...these guys know they're not so great. They thought they could coast through games and still win. So now, they probably think - let's just get to the playoffs...then we'll turn it on. Expect a season-long coast job.

Posted by: Greg Gembe | Wednesday, November 24, 2010 at 08:59 AM

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Not disagreeing ball movement isn't important. Am disagreesing ball movement "alone" is enough if offball players aren't moving as well.

You can swing & reverse passes along the perimeter (presumably Spo's idea of ball movement) or post & repost all night long and never get the uncontested looks or lane openings that Heat players & coaches seemingly *expect* (magical thinking syndrome) to materialize sans player movement.

Jerry Sloam recognized this -- post Stockton & Malone -- and adapted.

Gregg Popovich recognized this -- post Robinson, post Duncan -- and adapted.

Spoelstra/Riley?

Spo (to ESPN's Heat Index): "I wouldn’t even know how to coach them ... See I can’t even reinvent myself or the Miami Heat philosophy or fabric. That would be a little bit too much of a stretch for me."

Riley (paraphrased): "Motion offense? Just a bunch of guys running around without a purpose."

We've seen Riley/Spoelstra's 'concept' of "ball movment" since the days of Bug, Zo, Lenard, Mash & PJ. Swing passes. Reverse passes. Post. Re-post. No open looks or lane openings? Dribble-drive iso or top-of-the-key 3 by Bug. Shotclock-expiring 3 from the wings by Lenard.Shotclock-expiring baseline 3 by Mash. ORB or short-med baseline j by PJ.

It's not enough, especially without an elite do-it-all big (Dampier is not that guy).

Old school colleagues like Sloan & Pop have adapted & moved on.

Riley & his first apostle? Not so much.

n.b. despite the criticism, I'm NOT on the "Fire Spo" bandwagon. I also disagree Riley could reprise 2006 by replacing Spo w/himself (same coin, different face). Sure, players *would* play harder. for awhile, just because it's Riley, just because of Riley's cred (rings).

But effort alone, just like ball movement alone, won't get it done.

Just as Riley alone, didn't get it done the following year (2007-15-67). Just as Riley alone, couldn't get it done in recent seasons prior (2001-36-46, 2002-25-57),

The game HAS moved on. Even if Riley/Spo haven't.

Spo admits he

So now, they probably think - let's just get to the playoffs...then we'll turn it on. Expect a season-long coast job.

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With no material change in coaching philosophy or player attitude, that IS the prevailing mindset in a nutshell. Nutty,

"Am [disagreeing] ball movement alone is enough if offball players aren't moving as well."

"We've seen Riley/Spoelstra's concept of ball [movement] since the days of..."

"Jerry [Sloan] recognized this -- post Stockton & Malone -- and adapted."

So first it was Beasley fault. Now its Lebron, Bosh and WADE FAULTS. Do you know how stupid you sound. Its everybodys fault except Spoelstra. Are you SERIOUS and you can tell the ban wagon fans that just started watching the Heat this year lol...

Eric Spoelstra better think of a more creative offense or he will be replaced in the next 10 games... COUNT THEM!!!

I enjoy checking in from time to time. Back when the "Big Three" were assembled and you all were counting your rings, I brought up the fact Spoelstra wouldn't make it through the season and got flamed. Glad to see you all have come to your senses. Now it's just a matter of when....in our pool over here, I've got him down for the 2nd week of December allowing for a wave of optimism with Riles heading into the X-mas Laker game.
What will it take for the Heat to win a 'ship? More ex-Laker influence just like the first time! lol.

Chris Webber, on NBA TV: "The team has a commercial begging fans to come watch 3 of best players in the NBA play. Miami Fans, you stink.". The season ticket holders suck! That's what happens when u boost prices so high that the people that can afford them have better $hit to do.

The arguement against phil winning so many championships has been he has had a lot of talent. I think he is mocking us because he knows he would win the next 6 titles with this team. He definitely wouldn't be getting blown out at home against indy. Get us a new coach Asap. I'm not so sure Riley will work out. His whole system is designed for a dominate big man.zo, shaq and a desperate attemp at JO. PJ, Ike Austin and even Odom played big inside on atleast 1 side of the court. We need a coach who can create plays that don't start in the middle until we get something in the middle.

WOW??!?

Like anyone in FLA has a CLUE about what a dynasty is?

LMFAO!

Karma's a b!tch...eh?

Uhh..one more thing...

How you like D-Wade's new Scottie (LBJ) P now??!?

Please hear me out - Lebron is not a point guard! He and Wade average about 11 turnovers a game combined, to me those numbers are unacceptable. Did you guys see how Lebron turned the ball over during the game, it was almost as if he looked at the Indiana players and said..here grab the ball! Whiskey Tango Foxtrot?

Another thing that I don't understand is that when Arroyo plays well and scores, the coach takes him out of the game - again - Whiskey Tango Foxtrot? (Smiles)

^ When has Arroyo played well? please tell me I must have missed it

DID ANYONE SEE THE MAGIC VS. HEAT GAME TONIGHT?
1. Wade comes off a crappy 1 of 13 shooting against the Pacers to go a putrid 6 of 21 vs. the Magic
2. If Wade makes just four of those shots the Heat win...
3. So Wade essentially costs the Heat the game vs. the Magic and took them out of the game vs. the Pacers
4. At what point do you stop and realize that tonight I can't hit the broadside of a barn?
5. At what point do teammates step in and say OK Wade no more bricks tonight?
6. What's going on wiht Wade?

karma? how does the heat have bad karma? please explain. Heat fans have been waiting since after the 2006 championship.. when pat riley promised he would build a championship team this year.... what had the heat done to get bad karma plz explain... what have we done that was immoral?

His shooting is gonna take this team back 2 da stone( brick) ages. Bron and Wade is shooting just 45 pct from the field. If you take out the 3 pt shooting then Bron is shooting 49 pct and Wade 51 pct. Dam Mickey...you having some pretty bad luck this year. You need a game changer. Fire Spro and watch this thing turn around.

heat plain out suck! yall got the 3 best players in the NBA ..... PITIFUL!!

the lakers did not win a ring with West, Chamberlain and Baylor. Baylor was at the end of his career (knees), but he was still a team player; ditto West and Chamberlain knew his role was rebounding and defense. Superstars knowing their roles; has not yet happened with the Heat.
Now if Phil had prefaced his remarks, "if history repeats itself", or something to that effect, there is no news story, is there?

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