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October 11, 2004

GOOD NEWS FOR MEN HOPING TO BREASTFEED

Because you didn't really like your chest up that high, anyway.

(Thanks to Trystan Shout)

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I am without words.

That is kinda a rough blog item to start the morning with...

All I can say is, "This world is going to hell in a handbasket."

Yeah... right... okay...

This is one of those items that temporarily makes food taste not as good.

I call it the "Think System": It's a revolutionary way of learning. If you think the Minuet in G, you will be able to play the Minuet in G.

If you think about getting monstrous muscles, just think, without exercise or diet, you will become buff in a matter of days.
If you think about getting rich, without working or budgeting, you will become rich.
Of course, if you think about lactating, you will lactate.

* River City-zians talk once more of tar and feathers for Harold Hill *

poor kid.

probably named Ocean Mist or Blooming Tulip or something.

Oh...recipes for xtra milk you may just have sitting around.....hmmmm....no thanks, I like mine with no sugar or cream.......

"Obviously there's something physiologically wrong with David."

Yep. Nuff said.

As a breastfeeding advocate and one who is very tired of the idea of males nurturing their offspring as much as females can have a such an *ewww* factor, I think this is a fabulous story. Stop being so xenophobic and start being more curious about the nature of nature.

My nipples lactate beer.

But I only let xenophobic people suck them.

Some people just have way too much spare time on their hands. If I just think hard enough, maybe this story will go away.

And for the benefit of you breastfeeding people, WOMEN have the ramparts for a reason, and they don't even have to think about it, it just happens.

"Welcome to C-bol's nipples, may I take your order?"

"I'm afraid of 'xeno'. Can you think about a nice Belgian Ale?"

"Sure thing."

sorry rayne :) but it's FUNNY, come on, admit it!

ick ick ick.

Judi, I wish you'd waited until after lunch to post this.

Thanks for sharing, Trystan. NOT!

Stupid work blocker won't let me see. Could someone post it?

Milkmen: Fathers Who Breastfeed
by Laura Shanley

I first became interested in male lactation in 1978 after reading Dana Raphael's book, The Tender Gift: Breastfeeding. Although Raphael only dealt with the subject briefly, she did say that men can and have produced milk after stimulating their nipples.

While my husband David had no interest in nursing our son, we both were intrigued with the idea. We had just had our first unassisted homebirth and were excited about applying our positive thinking techniques to other aspects of our lives. Although Raphael had written about milk production through nipple stimulation, perhaps, we thought, David could do it simply through suggestion. He began telling himself that he would lactate, and within a week, one of his breasts swelled up and milk began dripping out. When we excitedly showed my father (a physician) David's breast he said, "Obviously there's something physiologically wrong with David." The fact that David had willed himself to do this, did not impress him. We knew, however, that this was yet another example of the power of the mind.

Still, we were not ready for David to actually breastfeed our baby. First of all, there was no need for it. I was doing just fine on my own. But more importantly, he simply had no desire to do it. After he discovered that his body had indeed been responsive to his thoughts, he suggested to himself that the lactation would stop, and within a week his breast returned to normal. The experiment had been a success.

We didn't give it much thought after that until years later when I came across a short article called "Male Lactation" by Professor Patty Stuart Macadam of the Department of Anthropology at the University of Toronto (Compleat Mother, Fall, 1996, Volume 43).

It is possible, and has been observed in animals and humans. In 1992, 18 Dayak fruit bats were captured from a rainforest in the Krau Game Reserve, Pahang, Malaysia. Of the 10 mature males captured, each had functional mammary glands from which small amounts of milk were expressed. A breast is a breast. Male lactation is physiologically possible and, according to Dr. Robert Greenblatt, production in males can be stimulated by letting a baby suckle for several weeks. Indeed some human males secrete milk at birth and at puberty.
Historically, male lactation was noted by the German explorer Alexander Freiherr von Humboldt prior to 1859, who wrote of a 32-year-old man who breastfed his child for five months. It was also observed in a 55-year-old Baltimore man who had been the wetnurse of the children of his mistress.
My interest in male lactation was piqued again when I recently received the following letter from a friend of mine.

I knew these two wonderful guys, very dear friends of mine for years. A mutual acquaintance of ours was pregnant, unplanned, and did not want to do the whole "adoption thing" so when the guys approached her about taking the baby, they just proceeded as if it had been a planned surrogate pregnancy. The guys were adamant that the baby should get breastmilk. So when she was in her 7th month we bought a really good quality breastpump and Ian started pumping, every 2 hours during the day and once during the night. He was wonderful about it! He used an SNS (supplimental nursing system) after she was born, with donated milk from several friends who were nursing. He was making milk but not a full supply. By the time the baby was 12 weeks old he was making a full milk supply! He stayed at home with the baby (he was a massage therapist) and nursed her exclusively until she was 8 months old!! I don't think many people outside their intimate circle knew about it, I'm sure folks would have had a fit if they'd known...but I thought it was wonderful!
While reading my friend's letter, I suddenly remembered my mother telling me years ago that as an infant I once tried to nurse on my father. I laughed about it at the time, yet I'm sure it is a fairly common occurrence. Babies want to be loved, nursed, and nurtured. The gender of the person doing it is not important.

On the other hand, I think it is safe to say that women are better suited to breastfeeding than men are. They generally produce milk soon after birth, with little or no nipple stimulation. If a mother is completely out of the picture, however, as in the case of adoption, or a mother goes back to work and a baby is left in the care of its father, for some families male breastfeeding might be an acceptable alternative to formula bottles and pacifiers. If nothing else, fathers could occasionally comfort their babies by putting them to their breasts, regardless of whether or not they produce milk.

Just because something CAN be done doesn't always mean it SHOULD be done....Kinda like Cher getting naked for the big 6-0...

Okay, okay, just so long as he doesn't whip 'em out and start breastfeeding at a Starbucks.

Ah, it wasn't directed at you, Judilove! Just the whole 'ewww' factor bugged me.

But then I'm PMSing like you WOULD NOT BELIEVE!

And trust me, I never "whipped" them out. There was no cracking sound, and no one got whiplash. ;)

This is the kind of thing that would have already been on the Phil Donahue Show: "Men Who Lactate and the Women Who Love Them".

Sorry, but Men Lactaticing (Not AGNFARB) definitely falls squarely in the EEEWWWWW category. Xenophobe and Non-Xenophobe leagues.

Sorry, but Men Lactating (Not AGNFARB) definitely falls squarely in the EEEWWWWW category. Xenophobe and Non-Xenophobe leagues.

Eeew. I don't care if this makes me Xylophonic or whatever. This is just gross.

One time while I was at a week-long summer camp, there was a guy there who could lactate simply by squeezing his manboob. I remember a girl witnessing this and exclaiming "I can't even do that!"

I think if I were an infant whose parents were likely to even contemplate this sort of thing (i.e., complete morons), I'd develop Male-lactose intolerance real quick.

Let's see if I got this straight - There's someone named "raynebow" who was born in 1968 telling us that we are xenophobes for going "Yuk" when someone says that it's okay for men to breastfeed.

Well, Ms. Bow, allow me to point out that most of us also go "Yuk" when we think of your unshaven, unwashed, hemp-wearing, commune-living, sprout-eating self.

It's just something we do.

SteveB
I thought that all the kids born on communes in the late 60s and early 70s had rebelled and become FBI agents or at least stockbrokers and real estate agents.

ok ok that made me laugh. ROFL!

Aww everyone be nice to Rayne. She's a sweetie. *smooch*

But um, this doesn't mean I'm gonna start lactating or anything. Ew.

One of the things noted that one of the breastfeeding men's left breast, quote, 'retained its unusual size.'

Clearly, I need to take up wetnursing as a hobby to enlarge the ol'ramparts. :)

One of the things noted that one of the breastfeeding men's left breast, quote, 'retained its unusual size.'

Clearly, I need to take up wetnursing as a hobby to enlarge the ol'ramparts. :)

(*^%^&%&^% double post ^*^^*^*( !!

A man noticed his boobage
Worked well as milk-tubage
So a baby could suck
Although we all say "Yuck"
It can work in a pinch, or so it sez.

Ok, it isn't slowlayne-quality, but I'm trying.

slowlayne?

Hey I think sucking on lactating male boobs could improve the old Kinky score.

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I don't know what everyone is all "yuck" about. A lot of times when I'm late to work in the morning and I need some Fruit Loops asap, I just whip out the ol....

I've said too much again, haven't I?

Am I the only one who says Lactation Pornography? Huh? I do get that a breastfeeding can be a turn on for some men, (others are just happy with a breathing woman), but to make a category of pornography for it?? That's just strange..IMHO

Waiter, there's a hair in my milk!

Feduck, how do you get Fruit Loops to emanate from your bosom? I imagine it's painful.

Did Kramer make a nursing Mansierre?

Blogchick has asked and
I'm up to the task
to pen a few lines about nurse-man

I admit I was grossed out
xenophobic? yeah, no doubt
it's just not right, it's perverse, man!

The sight of mom's rampart
at Starbucks or Wal-mart
is to me a natural scene

but a baby preparing
to nurse where it's hairy
is surely not good - it's obscene!

I hope that these lines
have sated those who pine
for original bloglit-writ verse

I leave you with this:
the Mr. who would be Ms.
has got penis envy in reverse

Lairbo: "male-lactose intolerance" is excellent.

"I have nipples. Can you milk me?"
-- Meet the Parents

Well, that's settled. Apparently you can. Now, quick, another study on how to stop laughing, please. I don't think I can do it on my own now.

**tickles Mike mercilessly**

hahahahaha.....i just think the whole idea of being able to think something, and it happen...iiiimmmmm thinking that im 10 pounds lighter!!!....nope, nothing yet...i mean come on, thats crap

mudstuffin, you've outdone yourself. Here! Here!

aubrey, you're (not your) right! Have you heard those recent radio ads about how your prescription eyeglasses are making your eyesight worse and how this guy's method can improve your vision without surgery? If that isn't The Think System nothing is, except perhaps the even newer ads by the guy who GUARANTEES that if you follow HIS system you can pay off your 30 year mortgage in 3 years or less NO MATTER HOW MUCH MONEY YOU HAVE AND WHETHER OR NOT YOU'RE (not your) WORKING AT McDONALD'S.

THese are obviously the same guy who wants to "give" you the money sitting in those Nigerian banks.

I'm the first to admit this is a strange article, and I am the author. I understand the "ewww" reaction the article usually gets, and I don't mind people making fun of it. But I'm somewhat saddened by the fact that so few people seem to truly "get" the idea behind the article and that is that our minds our more powerful than most of us realize. For David and me, this was an experiment in the power of the mind. He never wanted to breastfeed our son, and never did. He only wanted to see if it was possible to produce milk through suggestion. David also improved his vision through suggestion, and we've both used suggestion to heal from various physical problems. I birthed my babies into my own hands after nearly painless, easy labors. I was alone with several of them. In any case, I wrote the article because I thought male lactation was an interesting phenomenon and one that very few people had written about (I am a free-lance writer). Perhaps we can't become rich overnight, or heal ourselves instantly. But the fact is, our thoughts ARE powerful and when we believe in ourselves, we truly can change our lives for the better. I hope there's at least a few people out there who can get beyond the "ewww" factor and see the article for what it is: an interesting study in the power of the mind.

Sure. It's an article about "mind over matter". But why don't you just use your "powers of the mind" to intrepret our comments the way you want?

I'm sorry, but if you want serious anaylsis of male breastfeeding, then you are on the wrong blog.

I believe that you can do a lot of things if you just put your mind to it, but if someone is using their mental energy on making himself be able to lactate, then he is probably using it on the wrong thing.

In closing: EEEEEW!

Sure. It's an article about "mind over matter". But why don't you just use your "powers of the mind" to intrepret our comments the way you want?

I'm sorry, but if you want serious anaylsis of male breastfeeding, then you are on the wrong blog.

I believe that you can do a lot of things if you just put your mind to it, but if someone is using their mental energy on making himself be able to lactate, then he is probably using it on the wrong thing.

In closing: EEEEEW!

Yeah, whatever works for you. It's so much easier to swallow an asprin pill to get rid of headaches.

What about the power of the...BOOGER?

*tries to sprout wings* Nnnngggghhh....

*is momentarily rendered speechless*

If you really think you can just THINK pain away, you have never experienced real pain. The whole 'mind over matter' concept has serious limitations.

I'm happy for you that your labors were so painless and easy, but I don't think you should be so smug about it. Ya got lucky, honey, that's all.

*is momentarily rendered speechless*

If you really think you can just THINK pain away, you have never experienced real pain. The whole 'mind over matter' concept has serious limitations.

I'm happy for you that your labors were so painless and easy, but I don't think you should be so smug about it. Ya got lucky, honey, that's all.

Oh, I almost forgot- hats off, mudstuffin, that was classic.

*clap clap clap*

This guy was on TLC last night. There was a show about man-boobs (don't ask, i was reading). It was just as wierd seeing it on tv as it was reading about it on the blog.

EEEEWWWW

Mind over matter does work for some things. Biofeedback worked on my uncle's migraines when medicine wouldn't touch the pain.

Of course, I have never been able to get it to work. Perhaps it has something to do with the strength of the mind. If so, you people on this blog probably really could do whatever you aim for.

*leaves in embarrassment after shamelessly complimenting the blog*

Men breastfeeding? That is absolutely crazy.

Say what? *Rubbing Eyes* Somebody pinch me, I think I'm still dreaming.

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