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Mambi Watch

His death is a tragedy that exemplifies one face of the Cuban exile in Miami.

But, aside from all the wonderful things said about Tamargo today, why don't we hear about the controversial things he wrote too, in his own words.

He openly wished for a violent overthrow of the Cuban government, and was friends with the well-known terrorist Orlando Bosch.

Lets be honest and describe the man in all his dimensions.

cubanpatriot

Tamargo will get to meet with Fidel in the hereafter...

Rest in peace viejo -

Willy

Nothing wrong with a violent overthrow. YOU HAVE TO DIE FOR FREEDOM!!!!The embargo will never work.

Just sad that another one dies while FIEL is still alive??

cubanchallenger

So Willy, are you going to pick up a rifle and stand a post on the island?

Mambi Watch

I have no problem with sacrifice, especially personal instead of physical sacrifice, but if you choose violence, you must also take responsibility for its consequences. In this case, the consequences, like all other results of military interventions, are devastating. It is a price too high to suffer, or for anyone to be faulted for.

In the end, negotiation and settlement is inevitable. In these cases its better to choose the path with fewer physical immolation, and reasonable personal sacrifice.

eduardo paz

"De mortuis nil nisi bonum," the Romans said. "Say nothing but good about the dead." But I agree with Mambi Watch that more could have been said in Tamargo's obituary that might have shown him in a broader dimension. Obituaries are like that, though. And in this case, as in the case of so many "vertical combatants" in Miami, the deceased is beatified (almost sanctified) in print. The portrait is unidimensional.

Willy

response to cuban challenger from Willy

No I will not pick up a rifle to fight in Cuba since I was born here in the U.S. and just came back from Iraq with the U.S. Marines. I will pik up a rifle and go anywhere to defend the U.S and die if needed to preserve our freedom.

I am saying that the Cubans back on the island need to get organized and fight. Nothing wrong with that if you really want a change......

Manuel A. Tellechea

As for Mambo Watcher, he probably did a little jig when he heard the news of Tamargo's death. His comments certainly could not have been more insincere or damning, and they portray him (Mambo Watcher) at full length. Tamargo spent 47 years regretting what Mambo Watcher is still applauding. How that entitles him to assume a posture of superiority when alluding to Tamargo is entirely beyond me.

Ric

What is wrong with Tamargo's controversial views and his want of a violent overthrow of the Castro regime? Remember, if you are an American citizen and really care about the country you live in, you will RECOGNIZE that Cuba is a terrorist state that is Anti-US. In May 2001, just a few months before the terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center, FIDEL CASTRO went to IRAN and said "Iran and Cuba can bring the US down to ITS KNEES." Perhaps a very aggressive policy, perhaps even a violent one, is need to stop this terroist state from terrorizing its citizens, the United States and destabilizing all of Latin America.

Que en paz descanses Agustin.

Mambi Watch

Tellechea,

Your interpretations of my comments are interesting. Hence, I have reviewed my comments here and on my blog, but do not see where I "damned" Tamargo personally, or showed insincerity in describing him.

Hopefully, you can show me where I have made such commentary. I would be more than happy to address those allegations.

On the other hand, on my blog I basically wrote ONE sentence describing Tamargo, it said:

"Despite my admiration for determined individuals, I feel that many, like Tamargo, have an intransigent and disappointing philosophy, which in turn curses their ambitions."

Afterwards I presented QUOTES from Tamargo's own recent writings to show that he supported violence as a solution to change in Cuba. It is a position that I feel contradicts ANY effort from ANYONE in advocating human rights for all.

Such a position contradicts the principles of international law concerning human rights, and is the main reason, in my opinion, that US policy towards Cuba is doomed and continually condemned around the world.

I found it unfortunate, and tragic, that Tamargo had chosen and advocated such a position.

a thought...

Willy posted: No I will not pick up a rifle to fight in Cuba since I was born here in the U.S. and just came back from Iraq with the U.S. Marines. I will pik up a rifle and go anywhere to defend the U.S and die if needed to preserve our freedom.

I am saying that the Cubans back on the island need to get organized and fight. Nothing wrong with that if you really want a change......

And I say....Amen!

usambcuba

A thought - good to see you back on the blog.

If you feel like Willy does, then we, the U.S. should stop trying to interfere with Cuba and remove ourselves from that battle by ending the embargo and having normal travel and trade. Let the Cuban people, organically and on their own, determine their fate without our interference. Lets use our influence - the power of the people, to help the Cuban people. The darkness in Cuba needs the light of American people, products, and services.

a thought...

Hi, Ambassador. I haven't seen Manuel or Nonee around much lately; however, things have been crazy at my job so maybe they are as preoccupied as I am and have not been able to frequent the blog as much as in the "John" days...

I was thanking Willy for his service to our country and for his belief that the Cubans on the island need to get organized and take matters into their own hands. I think (and have always thought) that dissidents on the island need all the help that they can get.

I am also sick and tired of Miami Cubans being pandered to during an election year by politicians of both parties. How many times have we heard that freedom in Cuba is a top priority from some pol that is running for office? As much as it affects us here in Miami, do you really think Joe Middle America over in Iowa or Nebraska cares about our foreign policy with Cuba? The answer is no and I can't blame them. We have so many issues in this country (homelessness, drug addiction, poverty, etc.) that why should someone who is struggling with these obstacles care about some country 90 miles off the coast of Florida. We care because it is in our face, every day and all the time. If we were of Iraqi descent, we would be arguing about the war and other issues. However, this is a blog about Cuba and Cuban/Miami issues, so that is what we discuss.

Should the embargo stay or go? I am not in a position to say. I could sit here and say, "Sure, enforce it, make it worse." But I don't have family on the island; I don't know what it feels like not to be able to go see them.

But here is something else: People are getting around the travel restrictions. How do these people who travel back and forth, taking supplies from "la familia" in Miami to the "familia" on the island do it on a consistent basis? The supplies are still getting through. The U.S. might have a formal embargo against Cuba, but I don't think Miami recognizes it!

usambcuba

A thought - you drive the points home well.

The political pandering goes on because the politicians know it is a steady source of money and votes. Whether the position is representative of the majority or in the best interests of the country is secondary to the self interest of getting those dollars and those votes. So the politicians become the johns to this policy whore and they tell the hardliners what they want to hear, and never deal in the reality that the embargo is an utter failure. This is a policy that has absolutely no integrity and does a huge disservice and harm to the people of the Cuban American community and the people of Cuba. There are no leaders regretfully. So it is pathetic that a Presidential candidate who knows he needs lots of money understands that by going to Miami and telling the hardliners all the BS they want to hear on Cuba, he will get the money.
As a voting bloc, the hardliners do not represent a majority.

I was thinking if enough Cuban Americans who want to change the policy simply telephoned and emailed the campaign of candidates like Romney and tell him he loses their vote because of his embargo and restriction support, he will pause and reflect as to whether the money is worth it and if his vote tally will wind up being a wash because the community is so divided.

The perception in American politics is that on Florida, you cannot win it without pandering to the hardline Cuban community that supports this crazy embargo. That is the perception, foistered by the big bucks that flow from the deep pockets of a few hardliners. Have any doubts, take a look at a political action committee called the U.S. Cuba Democracy PAC which you can look up at www.opensecrets.org

There you will see that less than a thousand individuals, mostly Cuban American, have raised close to a million dollars over the years of its existence, to dole out contributions to federal candidates. They target newly elected congressmen and their m.o. is simple - support the embargo and restrictions, get a check. And believe me, when you first get elected to Congress, the first order of business is either paying off your campaign debt or raising money for your re-election in two years, six years if you are a U.S. Senator. So this is how the distortion begins.

On your last point - people getting around the restrictions, the love of family trumps crazy and irrational laws and policies like the embargo and restrictions. The fools who implemented this policy do not realize the kind of resentment or contempt that the policy breeds because it divides people and pits them against their family and country. It is truly pathetic and ill thought out.

In addition, we are alone in the world community with this policy on Cuba. Sanctions only work if everyone buys in and complies with them. The world has already voted against the embargo. Time for us to realize our failure and change policy direction.

John Longfellow aka Lou Dobbs

A.T. wrote: Should the embargo stay or go? I am not in a position to say.


Huh? Excuse me? What did you say? Are you FREKKIN kidding me, A.T.?

HI SUGAH!!! :)

manny

Loujohn???????? it cant be!!!! Ahora si se jodio la bicicleta.

Pedro A. Romanach

Rest in peace, Agustin Tamargo. My sincere condolences to his friends.

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