Castro Speaks with Chavez

Cuban leader Fidel Castro called into Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez's radio talk show, saying he felt "more energetic" and was enjoying his convalescence in his first live comments since falling ill seven months ago.

http://www.miamiherald.com/889/story/26102.html

Comments

[rauleladio]

Hello all you "mambises encueros" of the apologist movement for the Castro Brothers. Just out of curiosity, how much are you paid for trying to dishearten the "gusanos" who continue bravely fighting against Fidel el Gastronomo Castro? Tokyo Rose had nothing on you guys, you know that?
Amazing that Cubans would stoop so low to defend Castro, Che, and all those goons. There's no such thing as a BLOCKADE, and you, Oscar et al, know that perfectly well.

Subject: Tokyo Rose Remembered- On the Garbage Detail

From Walt, a WW II vet from the Pacific war zone

She had the best music on her station and most people just laughed. The ship I was on was sunk no less than five times but each time Davy Jones threw her back up.

Tokyo Rose During World War II -- the Japanese developed a way to demoralize the American forces. Psychological warfare experts developed a message they felt would work.

They gave the script to their famous broadcaster "Tokyo Rose" and every day she would broadcast this same message packaged in different ways, hoping it would have a negative impact on American GI's morale.

What was that demoralizing message? It had three main points:

1. Your President is lying to you.

2. This war is illegal.

3. You cannot win the war.

Does this sound familiar?

Is it because Hillary, Harry, John, Teddy, Nancy, etc. have picked up the same message and are broadcasting it on CNN, ABC, CBS, NBC, etc., to our troops?

The only difference is that they claim to support our troops before they demoralize them.Come to think of it, Tokyo Rose told the troops she was on their side, too.

[marcel]

¡Qué contento debes estar con la recuperación de tu comandante, Corral!

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Again with the damn red shirt...and in the picture it looks like Chavez is praying to the Bearded Jackass.

[usambcuba]

How are you feeling that our policies like the embargo and restrictions keep Cuban families separated and Castro in power?

Our policies with Cuba are a foreign policy disaster...and human one too. We only add insult to injury...

But again you hardheaded hardliners keep believing that the Cuban American community will be able to effect change Cuba this way?

Wake up -

[rauleladio]

Our policies? You mean your policies as dictated by Castro, right? He's the one who has separated Cuban families all over the place. He's the one who stole private property, gave it to goons, and encouraged hatred, divisiveness, and lied about holding elections and going back to democracy and the Constitution of '40. Who are you? You a US citizen? Don't talk about our policies when you're really talking about the murdering world of the cocaine distributors who govern in Cuba. Liars by nature, and traitors by profession.

[victor]

bla,bla,bla...Miami,Miami..when are you "cuban americans" going to stop this bullshit...fidel this,chavez that..mi tia said this,her tio said that...I heard it from my brother in law who has afriend that knows someone in the know that said his neighbor told her friend that...stop this evilness against MY people..Many of you dont even know what you are..Dont know what flag to wave..dont really even have a country...CUBA IS FOR CUBANS..not you laptop polticians..I keep saying...Show me ONE cuban in Miami with balls to fight for what you say..Fight on Cuban soil..Show me ONE..UNO..JUST ONE!!! It takes balls amigos,balls..and to be able to give up your calle ocho stroll in the sun sucking up that cafecito...get a life and tend to the wife...she going to go "online" somewhere else.

[usambcuba]

Rauleladio - I think you are confused. Castro's Cuba is indeed a problem unto itself. As well described in an op-ed in the MH in January, it is a socioeconomic failure and experiment, a tragic situation with so many divided families and lives.

The last time I checked, it is we, the United States, that have an embargo on Cuba. It is we who have travel restrictions on Americans and Cuban Americans. If you want to defeat the darkness of communism, you shine the light of freedom in the darkness, not with things like Radio TV Marti, but with real live human beings, families, tourists, businessmen. You engage your adversaries, not isolate them.

But our United States foreign policy, influenced and driven by hardline hardhead Cuban Americans, much like yourself, have implemented policies that have only made the situation worse in Cuba, hurt your own people here and there on the island, ironically keep Castro in power, and make an embarassment of our great nation with our hypocrisy. In schools of Diplomacy like Fletcher, there will classes on how NOT to conduct failed foreign policy with U.S. Cuba relations as a model example.

And what you still do not understand is that more of our same assinine policies like the embargo and restrictions have not and will not change a thing in Cuba for the better.

Even worse, you do not realize you are being played for your money and votes by politicians who claim to be defending and representing you with NO results, only to help prolong the madness rather than provide the leadership to solve it. That is another tragedy for all of us.

[rauleladio]

Oh, I realize what I'm doing. I saw my parents have to get on a boat with twenty five other people in 1962 because my father, and MD, wanted to come see me in Texas, when I had surgery, and the Castro goons wouldn't let him leave Cuba. That's called oppression. My father was never a political person, never sympathized with Batista, fought against Machado during his university years, and yet these communists decided they were going to run his life, force him to bring his son back to Cuba, tell him where I would have to work if I went back, or otherwise jail him. They sent helicopters after my parents, with orders to kill them. They stole their house, car, and everything they worked for, all because Castro, Che, Raul, and those mierdas said so. And they stole half the world of income-producing, job-creating American companies' properties which made Cuba (among other things) a very desirable place to live for a very large middle class which could travel to ALL hotels without worrying about apartheid between them and the tourists, and could travel the world at will, previous to the Castro stupidities and hatred. No, the Americans are not at fault for creating an embargo, to try to force freedoms back in a country which was STOLEN by a group of gangsters. The Americans had a connection with the Republic of Cuba, to try to keep it free, to try to make it float, go up, and not sink in the miasma that otherwise surrounds Latin America and drowns it in bullshit like you dialogueros spout all over the place. You dialogueros are liars, misrepresenting facts, twisting history, all in the name of your hatred for your own Cuban peers and your inability to thank the USA for having given you refuge here. You're here to spy, to discredit, and to use democracy to spout crap. You know what you're doing. The Five knew what they were doing. The Alvarezes knew what they were doing, and the journalists who worked for Gramma and now go to tertulias at Tinta y Cafe know what they're doing when they speak in favor of a change of policy towards Cuba which would only make it possible for Fidel to float and for his crappy revolution to save its corrupt neck. You all should be ashamed of yourselves, and deep inside I know you know that you are ashamed of all these covert and corrupt, evil acts that you're committing in favor of maintaining that terrible repression in Cuba. And that's why I have no problems with telling you all that you're a bunch of traitors to every decent cause in this hemisphere, and you sympathize with Chavez, Ortega, Morales, and all thos sobs who try to force their countries to follow the feces producer of the ruined island nation. To you guys I say that Felix Unger is in your hearts. Felix Unger was a movie/play character, and his initials in case you don't get it, are F.U.

[victor]

raulradio...pleeeeaaasssseee! give it a break. Adolecent political poisoning...and you got it..you inherit that from the first wave. Things are changing,fool. You can see that in the "anti cuba" blgs. Its the same story everyday..everyday...todos los dias,toto..Its groundhog day everyday...they repeat and repeat..dont you see it? Miami needs an enema to clean out all that old bullshit. Take it easy and stick a papa rellena in your mouth..it taste much better that what Miami puts in.Oh,and a guarapo to wash it down..

[usambcuba]

Rauleladio: maintaining the repression in Cuba? Look in the mirror and look at your buddy Fidel. You must like him because you support policies that do nothing to get him out of power and hurt your own countrymen here in the U.S. and on the island at the same time. Que inteligente esto? We are supporting his repression with our policies. It is our very policies with which he defends his repression. When are you going to realize this?

I am sorry for your own painful personal experiences in the ongoing tragedy. But you must realize the truth of the failure of our policies which your brethren created and endorsed. Our embargo and restrictions do nothing to change anything.

[rauleladio]

I am the first wave, and I saw the crimes of all the butchers. And usambouba, you must be an idiot: What Escambray where the CIA betrayed the Cuba patriots that rose against Fidel in 1960-61. Betrayed. Betrayed at the Bay of Pigs by pretty boy Kennedy. Look, guys, there is one villain in all this: FIDEL CASTRO, and together with Chavez they are plotting how send chemical and biological weapons to the USA, aided by their alliances with Iran and all the nuts from the Middle East who now have embassies and bases in Latin America, especially Cuba and Venezuela. Vayan a freir tortillas en la roca mas dura de sus pobrecitas cabezas. Useful Idiots is one term. Traitors is another one. And enemas don't clean bullshit in Miami, but they would clean your mouth and the feces from Fidel's caraeculo. We were done a horrible injustice, and there's still a regime doing horrible and terrible things to the country we love. I am an American citizen, down to my great grandfather, grandfather, uncles, and mother. I defend the right of the USA to do something for freedom, only ninety miles from here. Even if you clowns, malevolous clowns at that, insist in trying to destroy America through Fidel and the communists. No, it's not an old story at all. It's happening right now, with the aid of certain very "suffered" people who have infiltrated into Congress using the ignorance of some ignorant US Citizens who are promised the same crap that Cubans believed when they believed in Castro, in prehistoric times (Before '59). Some of them believed. Many knew who the son of a bitch was. And now he's represented in Miami by your tertulianos de pacotilla who inhabit the airwaves in Miami, and write behind a fence here on the web. Cowards.

[rauleladio]

What would the embargo do? Please list a number of "good things" that would happen. I know them all from dealing with clowns like you all, but go ahead. Repeat them. We know why each of them wouldn't work.

[rauleladio]

What would lifting the embargo do? Fatten your pockets you sobs?

[usambcuba]

You know Rauleladio when debating results in personal insults and attacks, you know you are on shaky ground.

What would lifting the embargo do?

Bring badly needed American people, goods, and services to the Cuban people, who are in the darkness of communism and yearn for the light of freedom.

Perhaps it will also empower the Cuban people to stand up and see the transparency of the failed socioeconomic experiment that is there.

We do know this for a fact that having the embargo in place has not achieved anything to change things in Cuba.

Ending the embargo would stop giving Castro an excuse he has used for his repression.

How would you know that ending the embargo would not work? We have not tried that.

And the only thing the embargo has done is add insult to injury and hurt your own countrymen here and there you say you love. You have fellow Cuban Americans who cannot even visit their family or offer their financial support meaningfully. You have our U.S. foreign policy held hostage to hypocrisy. You have politicians sucking you and the community for money and votes and delivering nothing, just a lot of hollow leadership.

And Castro is still in power. And his brother will succeed him. You see as much you say you hate him, you really refuse to recognize that you are helping him with this crazy policy.

[rauleladio]

usamncuba,
Are you a Cuban American or simply one of the useful idiots who pretends to help Cubans by twisting facts around and helping bring help to Castro's pockets? Do you meet with the Castro government people? Do you make arrangements so as to fool people into helping , when they're really only helping bring dollars to Castro not to the people> Would you answer the question of apartheid where you and those who visit Cuba can go into plush hotels, but the Cuban citizens can't? It's called apartheid. Castro ruined the Cuban Economy on purpose. They knew communism doesn't work. Now he wants me to help the very Cubans that he keeps in ruins. It's, of course, a trick. The help doesn't go to the Cubans, it goes to Switzerland's and Galicia's banks. You know this as well as I do. What I want to know is, who are you, what organization do you represent, and what the hell gives you a right to lecture Cubans who were victimized by Castro by the thousands, the millions; those who were kicked, beaten up, robbed, jailed, and in many cases, thousands, killed. Let's hear you denounce Castro's crimes, Che's crimes, Raul's crimes, the Castros participation in drug trafficking to America, the Castros terrorism, the opening of embassies of terrorist organizations like Hamas and Hezbollah, the keeping of US criminals in Cuba, the keeping of international criminals in Cuba, and the preparations to disrupt the Americas with a wave of terrorism.

Look, guy/gal, you're not dealing with someone who doesn't know the score. We know what you guys are up to. These communist tricks are well known, kinda old by now. Changing history, changing facts, is nothing new for you.

I know my facts, and I know what happened to me, my family, and my fellow Cubans. You are the confused one, or worse, perhaps the malicious one. Most likely the latter.

Let's hear who you are. Be courageous. Let us know the name of your organization and let us hear why you are so patriotic (to whom?) and so American, or Cuban, that out of the goodness of your heart you want to make people like me get unconfused by your enlightening knowledge of the situation in Cuba, and what bad people we exiles are for refusing to let new exiles run back to Cuba to visit their families. If these new arrivals in need to go back were political repression victims, how come they go back after only a year here?

Why do they go back as soon as they get a chance? If they're being persecuted in Cuba, if their life was in danger in Cuba, how come they go back to celebrate quinceaneras birthdays, and hold weddings in Cuba and big parties so their families can see how well they're doing in the States? Is that a good reason to go back with the excuse that their mother or father is dying.

Come on guys, you maybe communists, or socialists of the 21st Century, or neanderthals, or cromagnon men, but certainly you are not idiots. You may be useful idiots, but not idiots.

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Victor, why are you still here? I thought Mr. "Cuba for Cubans Only" would be paddling his happy self back across the straits by now. After all, you talk about everyone giving everything up to fight for Cuba, so I say...go ahead and put your money where your mouth is and lead us there.

[usambcuba]

Rauleladio – Let me first respond by saying you and I have a common goal – a free and democratic Cuba. What we differ on one hundred eighty degrees is how to achieve that objective. But therein lies the rub. I see my discussion points have struck a nerve in you and predictably you act much like Castro does to opposition – you attack them and slur them and question their patriotism and political beliefs because they disagree with you. So because I challenge your perspectives that you cannot effectively intellectually and logically defend, I am now somehow an apologist for Castro. Sorry that does not fly mi hermano. Estas muy equivocado. I think he would long have been gone had we changed our policies long ago.

>Who am I? I am a college educated American con sangre latino who happens to love his country. I also love the Cuban people and culture. But it does not matter who I am. What matters is whether my points make sense, are based upon logical and rational thinking and if and where I may be mistaken, am I humble and human being enough to recognize and change my views.

Would you answer the question of apartheid where you and those who visit Cuba can go into plush hotels, but the Cuban citizens can't? It's called apartheid.

>I agree that is a sad and unfortunate reality in Cuba. And you know what? That is a question for the Cuban people on the island because it slams in the face of the supposed “revolutionary” goals of equality.

Castro ruined the Cuban Economy on purpose. They knew communism doesn't work.

> I believe Castro does not really know what he is doing and is driven by some delusion that he has helped his country by standing up to the “imperio”. It is all about power and control, nothing more.

> We all know that communism does not work.

Now he wants me to help the very Cubans that he keeps in ruins.

> Our policies contribute to that ruin. We are throwing salt in the wounds of the Cuban people. We must stop our complicity in that madness. We must stop giving Castro a soapbox for his repression. And yes it is an intelligent choice to help your countrymen.

What I want to know is, who are you, what organization do you represent,

>I am simply an American first and foremost. I represent myself. I am exercising my right under the First Amendment of that amazing document called the United States Constitution to express myself. I have not attacked you personally but rather empathize with your plight. I had the opportunity to meet with freed political prisoners from Castro’s gulag and the idea that these men and women were jailed and treated so horribly because they did not agree with La Revolucion is abhorrent and goes against everything we are taught as Americans.

Look, guy/gal, you're not dealing with someone who doesn't know the score. We know what you guys are up to. These communist tricks are well known, kinda old by now. Changing history, changing facts, is nothing new for you.

>You see this is where you get pathetic and actually behave like Castro does with his oppositors. Please appreciate this now that you are an American citizen, learn something else that is essential for sound discourse and change, respect and tolerance for diversity of opinions, and use that brain that God gave you to think.

I know my facts, and I know what happened to me, my family, and my fellow Cubans. You are the confused one, or worse, perhaps the malicious one. Most likely the latter.

>I beg to differ. I do not deny or belittle your experience. I empathize with it. I want what happened to you and your family to never happen again to anyone else. With that said, you call me malicious. But I ask you who is being malicious supporting policies that hurt your own countrymen here and on the island? Who is malicious supporting policies that keep Cuban American families separated by denying them normal travel and family relations? You become like the very thing you abhor.

Let's hear who you are. Be courageous. Let us know the name of your organization and let us hear why you are so patriotic (to whom?) and so American, or Cuban, that out of the goodness of your heart you want to make people like me get unconfused by your enlightening knowledge of the situation in Cuba, and what bad people we exiles are for refusing to let new exiles run back to Cuba to visit their families.

> You have no right to tell anyone how to conduct their relations with their families. If you want to make the choice not to go back and visit your relatives, that is your choice. But do not impose it on others. With the sanctity that is family to Latinos, it is shameful there are those who want to cause even more suffering upon their countrymen.

>This is why Castro still wins. You are a community divided against itself. No possibilities. Wake up.

If these new arrivals in need to go back were political repression victims, how come they go back after only a year here?

>Again deal with the truth. They are mostly not direct political repression victims. Most émigrés from Cuba come because of the Cuban Adjustment Act, the only law that is kind of an immigration apartheid here in America. Only Cubans who reach U.S. soil can remain. Any other immigrant from any other nation is subject to deportation. And like all other immigrants, everyone comes in search of a better life that is possible in America. We made America a powerful magnet that way for Cuban émigrés.

Why do they go back as soon as they get a chance?

> Because they love and miss their country, their culture, their family and relatives.

If they're being persecuted in Cuba, if their life was in danger in Cuba, how come they go back to celebrate quinceaneras birthdays, and hold weddings in Cuba and big parties so their families can see how well they're doing in the States?

> You know as well as I do their motivation in immigrating is primarily economically driven.

Is that a good reason to go back with the excuse that their mother or father is dying.

> Have some compassion for those that want to be with their dying parent or relative.

>I hope this addresses your questions. When you can respond to these issues in debate without resorting to name calling, and ad hominem attacks, you will be far more effective in getting your points across intelligently. I will be glad to concede each and every point you make that is defensible in fact and truth. I am even open to changing my position. I have no grudge with you Rauleladio. I want the same thing as you only we strongly differ on the policy how to get there. You are just upset that it is pointed out how your policy positions of supporting the embargo have not achieved what they were intended to do. It is time for a more intelligent policy and approach with Cuba.

[usambcuba]

I see Rauleladio that you have not responded here to my comments. I think that speaks for itself.

[victor]

You cant confuse these people with facts..And by the way a thought...Cuba is for cubans..and I dont paddle,I fly...With enough medicine and needed items for your family and friends that say "Ese no me manda nada"...you owe me. Now go get me a cafecito at calle ocho.

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I don't have family on the island, Victor; I never said I did. They were driven out in 1960 when Castro's bullies took all they had. Oh, and I'm sure you don't charge anyone for your humanitarian services in bringing all those much-needed goods to the island. Yes, I know that people on the island need medicine, clothing, etc., but don't deny that people like you make a pretty penny delivering the goods.

I don't owe you anything. You owe my country thanks for taking you in and giving you the opportunities you have.

[victor]

a thought..You got that Miami cubaneo so high up your ass that you think anyone going to cuba charges to take things..thats Miami cuban "mulos". The ones that hate castro but are selling and renting items to cubans at a profit...I dont live in "the lost city,florida". I live where ALL the cubans here laugh every single day about las locuras de Miami Cubans..Now you got me angry you idiot with out a country...family driven out of Cuba???they left mi hermano,or they had to leave..Hey,here,Ill top that one...My father was jailed by your batista goons and had to leave the country..You ever hear a banging on the door and 2 guys in the middle of the nite yelling at your mother for the whereabouts of her husband...You know what really makes me scream besides rap music and regeton? You asholes,that have NEVER been to Cuba and claim to know whats going on..I continue to go and take things (as a matter of fact,now that you know about charging for goods,I should do the same)and yes,Im sure you got some distant relative no one in your family wants to know about that Im sure one way or another I helped..Do yourself a favor and try leading..all you guys do is follow the daily input of bullshit comming out of Calle Ocho..Be somebody!!! Say it with me,I AM SOMEBODY! Now chill out dude and increase the Zanax..Damn it I hate getting angry...Have a good day.....

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Ohhh, did I touch a nerve, there, Victorsito? I have yet to meet ANYONE that goes to the island on business that doesn't charge for taking things. It's different if you are visiting your own family and offer to take something for someone else. And no, I have no relatives left on the island. They all helped each other get out. And yes, they were driven away. Their properties confiscated, houses taken, etc. Anyone who went through that can tell you the same story.

And I do have a country: America. I was born here. And you should kiss the ground everyday because it took you in.

I'm sorry for your mother and for what she went through. But just because you didn't get out in the first wave doesn't give you the right to run down those that did.

I the only thing I agree with your post is that reggaeton and rap are atrocious and shouldn't even be referred to as music. Reggaeton is Spanish chusma rap.

And, by the way, why did you assume I was a guy? I'm not. And I don't have Cubaneo shoved anywhere. I am proud of my heritage, but if you think I have a Caridad del Cobre or a San Lazaro somewhere in my front yard, you are sorely mistaken.

[victor]

I cant argue with you on the charging of money..I can not be accused of that,but if I keep up with you on that note,you because of the minds that read your post will think I do..They are called mulos..and they live in Miami.they hate cuba but make money of it..You know what they call Varadero Beach? Hialeah Heights!! Why,because of the miami cuban hardliners money they invest there..ay chica did I blow your bubble..And by the way I stand corrected by your genger. Im sure you dont speak spanish,so please advice if I should write only in inglis,or spanglish. Chica,I like to say I m sorry for some of the foul language,knowing you are a chica.These cuban blogs are so filthy that it makes one join in on the scum..You got to check on whats really going on behind the curtain in Miami...Your so called Cuban Hardliners use you to keep the word out..That way they can rape both you and cuba of your money..Ask the oldtimers where the money went for all that training in the everglades..all the money they collect from their anticastro fundraisers...How many balseros does C.A.N.F. help? How many other groups of idiots led by Ballart and MIMIMOSHKA Illeana give to those that are drawn to your country with the tony Montana dream.The Elian Museum and MISSLAZY COLLECTED A BUNDLE..DID THEY GIVE IT TO OTHER KIDS..AAHHHH I DONT THINK SO. Now to the charging of fees again...Lets see...Im owed for taking doctors (2) to cuba..taking medical supplies..paying for and working a community center for the elderly in Parraga (ask the folks where that is)..Helping La Iglesia de Santa Barbara (built by batistas wife)with their programs for kids and the elderly..they ask me in Cuba when are these idiotas (their words)going to stop this bloqueo..when dear? tell me so that I can tell them next week when I make another money making trip..Who do i bill? And by the way I dont keep any santos outside my door but I do keep them..Oh,and I dont charge any money like the religious clowns in Miami....WOW! I never wrote this much....BRILLUMBA ENSASE.

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Victor is John.

[a thought...]

Victor is John.